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Artic Cat Quad Trac
Topic Started: Jan 4 2013, 02:13 PM (2,718 Views)
Bknight187
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Have a chance to pick one of these up. Has anyone ever used one of these, seen one, or have any good-bad about them? They have a 500 CC snowmobile motor. Were sold as a "Personal Groomer". Below are the actual pictures of the machine.

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LongWide
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You ay have already looked at this site = http://www.bosscatlegacy.com/acproto/groomer/groomer.htm
Looks like these guys are Quad Trac fanatics and may be able to steer you to a good resource.
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If you do a bit of a search here you'll find some comments on them. IIRC they like to spend time on their sides :'(

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You might find the following thread on vintagesleds.com somewhat helpful

http://vintagesleds.com/bs/index.php/topic,74363.0.html
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Jan 5 2013, 02:41 PM
You might find the following thread on vintagesleds.com somewhat helpful

http://vintagesleds.com/bs/index.php/topic,74363.0.html

Thank you that was helpful!
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I had one. Install an exhaust gas temperature before using it. You can go from safe to "burn up engine mode" real quick and not know it without one. It was a nice idea for small trails, but no cab heat (fogged windows, no, make that iced windows) a throttle cable that would freeze (read exciting!!!) and chains in the pontoons that would break on the trail.

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Interesting read. I'd seen one of those before, and thought it looked like a neat idea. But it's a lot nicer to get those rosy impressions corrected without the damage and frustration inflicted by actually owning one oneself. No wonder they're so rare!
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Jan 7 2013, 07:34 PM
Interesting read. I'd seen one of those before, and thought it looked like a neat idea. But it's a lot nicer to get those rosy impressions corrected without the damage and frustration inflicted by actually owning one oneself. No wonder they're so rare!
We have had similar experience with these they look neat but it
Ends there . There is no suspension they will nock a kidney out if attempt to go at full speed on a frozen trail. Finding parts is getting harder and harder in transfer cases we have had to make parts to keep them going. We have sold the ones we had .
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Jan 7 2013, 02:02 PM
I had one. Install an exhaust gas temperature before using it. You can go from safe to "burn up engine mode" real quick and not know it without one. It was a nice idea for small trails, but no cab heat (fogged windows, no, make that iced windows) a throttle cable that would freeze (read exciting!!!) and chains in the pontoons that would break on the trail.

Jim B
What was a safe EGT? and at what temp did you have to stop or shut it down?
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I bought an EGT off of ebay for my homemade groomer. I can't remember what brand it is, but I think it has Sun in it's name. As far as what a safe temp is, that's difficult to say as there probably is quite a variance in readings of different exhuast guages and no doubt, the mounting location of the probe in the pipe can cause quite a difference. I'm sure an inch forward or rearward in the y-pipe would make lots of difference. At first, I was alarmed at how high my guage was reading (it normally shows around 1175-1275 degrees and will climb close to 1350 when I'm working it real hard), but I kept on checking the plug electrode tip color to see how it was reading and I saw no signs of excessive heat on the plugs so I guess my guage must be off by a bit because it should have melted down long ago if the temps are actually as high as the EGT shows. So it's kind of a relative thing......In my case, if I see my EGT showing consistently above 1300 degrees, I will begin to become concerned about it.......but I've put hundreds of miles on that engine with it reading 1250 so I'm pretty comfortable with that.
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Jan 7 2013, 11:15 PM
I bought an EGT off of ebay for my homemade groomer. I can't remember what brand it is, but I think it has Sun in it's name. As far as what a safe temp is, that's difficult to say as there probably is quite a variance in readings of different exhuast guages and no doubt, the mounting location of the probe in the pipe can cause quite a difference. I'm sure an inch forward or rearward in the y-pipe would make lots of difference. At first, I was alarmed at how high my guage was reading (it normally shows around 1175-1275 degrees and will climb close to 1350 when I'm working it real hard), but I kept on checking the plug electrode tip color to see how it was reading and I saw no signs of excessive heat on the plugs so I guess my guage must be off by a bit because it should have melted down long ago if the temps are actually as high as the EGT shows. So it's kind of a relative thing......In my case, if I see my EGT showing consistently above 1300 degrees, I will begin to become concerned about it.......but I've put hundreds of miles on that engine with it reading 1250 so I'm pretty comfortable with that.
What motor? And where did you put your probe for the guage? I always use Glo-shift guages. Have them in both of my diesel trucks.
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Jan 8 2013, 06:59 PM
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Jan 7 2013, 11:15 PM
I bought an EGT off of ebay for my homemade groomer. I can't remember what brand it is, but I think it has Sun in it's name. As far as what a safe temp is, that's difficult to say as there probably is quite a variance in readings of different exhuast guages and no doubt, the mounting location of the probe in the pipe can cause quite a difference. I'm sure an inch forward or rearward in the y-pipe would make lots of difference. At first, I was alarmed at how high my guage was reading (it normally shows around 1175-1275 degrees and will climb close to 1350 when I'm working it real hard), but I kept on checking the plug electrode tip color to see how it was reading and I saw no signs of excessive heat on the plugs so I guess my guage must be off by a bit because it should have melted down long ago if the temps are actually as high as the EGT shows. So it's kind of a relative thing......In my case, if I see my EGT showing consistently above 1300 degrees, I will begin to become concerned about it.......but I've put hundreds of miles on that engine with it reading 1250 so I'm pretty comfortable with that.
What motor? And where did you put your probe for the guage? I always use Glo-shift guages. Have them in both of my diesel trucks.
The engine in my homemade groomer is a Polaris 440 liquid cooled twin from a mid 1990s Indy 440. The machine is currently at my farm so I don't have it handy to take measurements of exactly where I have the probe located....but as I recall, it's mounted in the Y-pipe approx 1 1/2" back from where the Y-pipe connects to the expansion chamber muffler. I've never heard of a glow shift guage but I'll definately check them out. I need to buy another guage for my machine because the one I have is illuminated by a non replaceable LED and the LED recently burnt out so it's difficult to read at night.
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Jan 7 2013, 11:04 PM
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Jan 7 2013, 02:02 PM
I had one. Install an exhaust gas temperature before using it. You can go from safe to "burn up engine mode" real quick and not know it without one. It was a nice idea for small trails, but no cab heat (fogged windows, no, make that iced windows) a throttle cable that would freeze (read exciting!!!) and chains in the pontoons that would break on the trail.

Jim B
What was a safe EGT? and at what temp did you have to stop or shut it down?
I don't remember what brand I used, but as far as the temperatures, I had to experiment a little. It would go from 1100 to 1500 real quick if it started pulling hard. I think that I had the alarm set at 1200 degs.
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I know on trucks and cars they idle around 600-900. And you should not go over 1200. So I am guessing sleds are the same. I wonder what the difference between a fan cooled and a liquid cooled would be when pulling?
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Well the one I started this thread with did not work out. He wanted to much and had a bad motor. But I went yesterday and picked this one up. And yes that is a beer keg mod to a fuel tank.

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