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goose-neck vers PINTLE towing
Topic Started: Dec 29 2009, 04:02 PM (1,029 Views)
arly
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Three or four years ago, we purchased a goose-neck from YTS for our old (or classic?) Ginsu. After that when I was attending a grooming clinic we noted that the dealer (ABR) didn’t use them and someone in the crowd asked “why don’t you use them?” and the responses was something to the effect “we don’t need to”. Hummmm this made me suspect as to why we had gotten one. This week our “super dependable” VK clunked out on us and it was towed back to the repair shop for the 2nd time in two weeks. This left us without a sled to tow the Ginsu, so we pulled the goose-neck off and attached it to our classic 1998 widetrack via pintle. I was immediately surprised how much more the ginsu hopped to the left and right cutting through the old snow using the PINTLE hitch. The tracks I was now setting weren’t nearly as straight as they had been just one hour earlier. After a few years of using a Goose-neck we now see why we’ll be keeping ours. Thought someone might be interested to hear this.
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Arly,
As I read your post, I was expecting you to say the pintle hitch worked better!

I built a gooseneck for my homemade version of the Tidd Tech last year and I love it. Turns so much easier - on up hill curves with a slight cross slope to the outside, sharp corneers, and I can zig-zag around trees in a couple tight spots on the trail.

So why doesn't ABR use one? Is it because they use the PB first and then just set tracks with the Ginzu?

Sorry to hear about your VK. They seem to have a lot of problems. What's the deal this time?

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I can't exactly recall what ABR said in response to that question. They do have narrow trails there that a PB can't do. Maybe Eric will respond?? We don't know what failed on the VK but its motor went to reduced power, then died. Its at the Yaha shop right now and we'll report back what they say or do. We jump started it and it died again in 100ft. I wasn't operating it at the time.

Oh, we would trade one used three yer old work sled for newer gooseneck YTS hitch. Anyone?? :)
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arly
Dec 29 2009, 04:59 PM
I can't exactly recall what ABR said in response to that question. They do have narrow trails there that a PB can't do. Maybe Eric with respond?? We don't know what failed on the VK but its motor went to reduced power, then died. Its at the Yaha shop right now and we'll report back what they say or do. We jump started it and it died again in 100ft. I wasn't operating it at the time.

Oh, we would trade one used three yer old work sled for newer gooseneck YTS hitch. Anyone?? :)
That is funny! I have a 8' Tidd Tech TT that I'll trade for another G2 track setter...man, those are pricey! (actually, will probably start torching it-use the pan and comb for a leveling drag and sell the hydros).

So this gooseneck thread is timely. Monday, while grooming with the G2 with pindle hitch I noticed the snow saver paddles getting lower and lower. I stopped on top of a huge hill and looked back and the front of the G2 was dragging! The pindle hitch had broke all of it's welds where it is welded to the hitch plate! I hadn't hit anything, just grooming. Parked the G2 in the middle of nowhere and sledded out. Next day, I hauled our G2 gooseneck (our 2nd one..one that fits!) out to the groomer and bolted it on. No problems, even had the right tools. Continued grooming with the SWT and G2 for the next 3 hours and it worked well-yep, turning is a little easier, just need to adjust the height a little. The nice thing is we can hook it up now to the Grizzly w/o changing receiver hitches.

Our Ginzu is on the fritz now-three of the hard plastic comb plates fell off last weekend! I found them skattered on the trail when I was skiing-weird, 3 off on the same day in different places. Anyway, the Ginzu doesn't leave a combed surface now, so we'll have to get it in the shop to fix them. That has happened before with the Ginzu.
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We groom with 3-4 snowmobiles and an ATV. We pull 5 Ginzu Groomers including the 108 inch. We have used the gooseneck hitch and it did not make a big difference for our operators for steering. We set all of our machines with suspension adjustments and some with nose weights and flexi skis. The steering is not an issue for us here unless it is a wet snow at 32 + degrees. I am not sure what the issue is turning these machines, my guess is you guys are not setting the suspensions right. The adjustments are in the manual and we may have them on our website in grooming archives as well www.abrski.com . We use all "bumper pull" pintle hitches.
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Part of it may be snow condition differences as well. We get rather variable snow around here (moisture content / density), and some snowfalls it doesn't make a difference at all. Others it is very noticeable.

I suspect your bumper weights make a huge difference as well, especially for us light guys:)


Any further comments on sleds vs. the ATV? I check your great site frequently to see if you have any more analysis up there, and occasionally bore my wife with the grooming video (which I rather enjoyed, though I should have waited for the advanced videos).
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