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| 1st Grizzly 'real' Grooming report; groomin with the Ginzu/Grizz | |
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| couchsachraga | Jan 27 2010, 01:32 PM Post #31 |
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Will a plow work with the tracks? It seems to me that would be a very useful counterweight! Take off the stock metal edge and replace it with one with "V"s cut out like on the compaction drags (or on snowcat plows...). Nice looking Grizzly! |
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| spinbad | Jan 27 2010, 01:42 PM Post #32 |
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Hey Spinbad- Nice looking Grizz-same color as ours. We DO use some wt on the front-I toss in about 30-40# of flat wts inside our front box on the rack. I'd be tempted to put the battery on the drags instead of the ATV-the wt won't hurt the groomers and you don't have as much wt on the back of the Grizz. You'd like the gooseneck-it's very handy to do a Crazy Ivan turn right in the middle of the trail or on a hill. You can't do that with a pindle. I don't know how well non- 4X4 would work with tracks-you can do it (I did by accident) but that's a lot of rubber to push, plus it won't turn as well. smeuret- thanks. I would really like to try the Gooseneck since that is how both of the units I am going to try, the long and short ginzu have them. I saw your instructional C I turn post. Very nice. Did you fabricate your hitch extention? A friend of mine runs the local parts dept at the yamaha shop and said that stiffer springs would definitely help. $80 might be worth it. Gonna try the weights thing. Im only 155lbs and dont add much to the vehicle. Thanks |
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| spinbad | Jan 27 2010, 01:51 PM Post #33 |
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Will a plow work with the tracks? It seems to me that would be a very useful counterweight! Take off the stock metal edge and replace it with one with "V"s cut out like on the compaction drags (or on snowcat plows...). Nice looking Grizzly! couchsachraga- I am looking at a plow blade, used so I can do just what you were saying. We had a metal edge added to an old plow off a truck that we installed to the front of an old bombi for cutting down the man made snow whales. I would do the same here. The atv plow mount works since it comes from under the machine and mounts to the middle of the frame underneath. and it would definitly help with the weight. On steep climbs the front kinda walks back and forth a bit. its either weight or the tracks are'nt aggressive enough but I always make it. Best thing is I spent under $6k for the whole rig. |
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| semntrails | Jan 27 2010, 02:22 PM Post #34 |
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You can put a plow on with tracks, you might need an extension for it though to allow full angling of the plow. |
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| Steve.M | Jan 27 2010, 05:04 PM Post #35 |
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Yep- a shop guy fabricated the hitch extension for the 2" receiver, but it need not be that long.....maybe 8" would be plenty. |
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| Boldy | Jan 27 2010, 07:16 PM Post #36 |
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I haven't used ATV's for grooming so I don't know if this is an issue or not but I just wanted to bring this question to the conversation for some comment. I have driven tractors and ATV's, just not for grooming. Is there any danger of the ATV doing a "walk over"? This is when a tractor is pulling hard and the load gets caught or snagged. The wheels keep turning and flips the tractor over backwards. Tractors have roll bars for this reason.I was just thinking that on some of the steep trails there may be potential for this. |
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| Steve.M | Jan 27 2010, 07:33 PM Post #37 |
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I have a hard time thinking a tracked atv could do a Walk over- The rear tracks extend so far rearward that I don't think it would be possible in comparison to a tractor. |
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| Boldy | Jan 27 2010, 07:50 PM Post #38 |
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Good point. Thanks |
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| arly | Jan 27 2010, 08:27 PM Post #39 |
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Camoplast and I'd imagine all the track manufactures use torsion bars to stabilize the pods. I'll post a photo of these on a UTV 4S rear pod. The bars have springs on it and can be seen in the center of this pod. These bars "should" keep you from flipping over.
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| couchsachraga | Jan 27 2010, 10:45 PM Post #40 |
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Unfortunately in cases where said bars broke they've caused a few flip overs (search at trackshare and you'll find them). I think the design has been changed since then (I hope so!). |
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| Boldy | Jan 28 2010, 07:27 AM Post #41 |
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As all of us have discovered through the years of grooming we tend to push the limits of some of these so called work sleds/atv's. All the suden we find out from the manufacturer that "We didn't know you were going to do that with it". It has been mentioned that a tongue extention may be necessary in which case the ATV might be a little more unstable. It's good to talk these things out here and see if it is a problem and if there's something that can be done to fix it. This forum is a great resource for groomers. |
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| Steve.M | Jan 28 2010, 08:28 AM Post #42 |
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Good points Boldy- (hmmm, I need a better screen name) ![]() I was thinking more about the backflip thing-true, we do use an extension on the hitch, and you wrote it could make the atv more "unstable" but, and I'm not an engineer, the tracks have a much wider stance than wheels and the tracks stick much further rearward than stock wheels and I believe those factors add great stability-side to side or in preventing a "walkover." I've been on some sidehills with tracks and felt pretty secure compared to wheels on those same hills in the summer. Someone also mentioned running the Grizzly not in 4 wheel drive with tracks. Thought about that also and wonder if that would be hard on the tracks themselves-the ground pressure and friction is the only thing making them go 'round and 'round, not the drive shafts which could be hard on the track pods. Maybe not, but it just seems that having power turning the tracks would be better for their health. |
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| Glide | Jan 28 2010, 08:35 AM Post #43 |
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Yes agreed this is a great forum to learn from one another to make grooming better and easier. I own the Yamaha Grizz 700 with Tatou 4s Tracks. All I can do is rave about it. The tongue extension comment is a moot point. The writer who started this thread mentioned he used a extension for no particular reason. My hitch has a regular 2" receiver. Nothing to long just a standard pick from Walmart. All my implements clear the tracks. After seeing the pics here of the YTS Gooseneck I see my hitch would accomadate this as well without extending further back. If you have a sled for grooming and it becomes worn out buy an ATV. In the summer throw a brush hog on the back and have some fun. |
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| yoopergroomer | Jan 28 2010, 07:32 PM Post #44 |
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The extensions can put extra stress on the axle, hitch and track systems. The recommended method to pull a groomer with the ATV style hitch from YTS which is designed to clear the tracks. It is a fraction of the cost of the gooseneck. |
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| air19 | Jan 28 2010, 08:08 PM Post #45 |
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Yooper, Can you post a picture of this? That would be great. |
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