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Funding per mile
Topic Started: Apr 4 2008, 05:01 AM (1,650 Views)
snowrider
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I believe thier to be a very variable funding rate here in Maine. We get 296 a mile. What do you get?? :shrug:
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Are you talking ITS , connector trail, or club trail?
We average more then that on out ITS section (10 miles). And a lot less then that on the others.

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snowrider
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I am talking about your municipal trail grant. The club grant we get so much per mile up to 30 miles, everyone is the same, but the municipal varies greatly.
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here in NH we get reimbursted by the hour. It is based on your groomer size , horse power, and drag size. I think For a tucker 1000 with 1608 mogal master it is $32.50 per hour. More money for larger drags and of course less for smaller groomers and drags. We have to sumit an application earlier in the year for the amount of hours we think we are going to use. of course the state has a formular for this. Then reimbursed for actuall hours used.
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snowrider
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do you fell that NH funding is consistent across clubs or are some clubs given more money than others
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snowrider
Apr 4 2008, 11:40 AM
do you fell that NH funding is consistent across clubs or are some clubs given more money than others

In one way yes, we all make the same amount per hour based on equipment. The difference comes in the amount of hours availible to each club. Some clubs ran out early this year. I don't know if they didn't request enough hours, or were not granted enough hours.

For us, if we were basically able to groom half time for the last couple of months because of poor weather. We had good snow, just too much rain and warm weather. We just about used all of our hours. If we groomed straight through we would would have run out. The state did bump up the amount of hours/money by some percentage, but we didn't get there this year.

I am newer to the Trail admin job, but I think the trail grooming funding part is pretty well run. Some things I would like to see is more help plowing parking lots, and maybe a 10% of front before the grooming season.
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each county has a county director and when we sumitt for hours all the county directors meet and decide if the hours seem to be correct for the area. Most clubs don't seem to have a proplem, as long as thier hour request seems to be in line with other clubs. Take for example our club and our niehboring club both have around 75 miles and Tucker 1000's with 8 x 16 mogal master. We both request around 600 hours and have never had a proplem.
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snowrider
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Here in maine it is based on a per mile funding and each club gets a different rate. It is very frustrating when you are on the bottom of the rung :blink: :wacko: :blink:
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Here in NY it's a bureaucratic mess like anything else the state runs. :ha:

It's a reimbursement program, where if you can make it through the hoops, you may get trails approved in one of 4 categories and a bonus amount for "high snow". Some many $ per mile in each case.

Then you get 70% up front to start the season, we are starting to get the checks now, yes now... for the up front.

If there isn't some screwup in calculations or registration predictions, you can file to get the other 30%, if you can show your work, and can wait till then next fall...when you should have gotten the next 70%, which hasn't come yet because it's late...

We basically gotta run on memberships, donations, and loans; hoping the trail fund reibursemnt comes through to bring club operating fund balances right.

I told you it was simple.....simply bureaucratic.

11,500 miles of trails; 125,000 registered; estimated economic impact, greater than $800M, and the state doesn't spend $1 on snowmobiling. :banghead:

It's all funded through snowmobile registration dollars...

ahh the land of taxes...
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snowrider
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So it sounds like maine isnt alone. What do you guys think would be the best way to fund the system?
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Up here, trail grooming is funded mainly through trail permit sales and the government really has nothing to do with it. I beleive it's also based on the amount of hours groomed the previous year.......which is stupid as after a year like last year with hardly any snow, we ended up getting way less $$$ for this season to groom. Last year, I believe our fuel & operator budget was $6000. This year, it was $5000. That doesn't go very far.
.........takin it one mogul at a time

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Wow. Small funding. You guys have.

Funds here are Parks Permit, State sale tax on new sleds, Gas tax off of sled, license of sleds. Witch paids for Plowing of Parks, Grooming of trails, Building new parks win can, Signes for trails. I think the State Gross is 2 or 2,500,000 dollars cross the State for all sevices a year. I think we avg. 12 to 15 dollars a mile

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In NH, Snowmobiling is a self funded. Are money is soley raised through club registrations, and sled registrations. In NH, a person must be a member of a club to register there sled. Most Clubs charge $25-$35 for a membership. Here is how the Sled Registration money is spent:

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mike p
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My club is in the southern tier of NY south of Buffalo. We have 59 miles of trail and get reimbersed $19200 for this season. As an earilier poster pointed out our trail fund system is bit behind schedule this year. :mad: :banghead: There is a new guy in charge of the trail grant system and they are doing the best they can to make the system run smoother and more effectivly. Only time will tell, lets see what happens for next season maybe the funds will come through on time.
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When a snowmobiler registers their sled, they specify what area in the state gets the moneys.

Big counties are broken into 3 or 4 areas within that county.

Areas with lots of snow that do a great job grooming will be rewarded wtih yet more money to do a better job!!!!!

Gas tax goes to state parks and rec, who has grants to give out groomers and sheds or other large capital equipment. They base it on how the area does, how they treat their equipment, and how long since the area got equipemnt.

grooming programs are run by the counties.
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