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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 10 2008, 12:48 AM (1,571 Views) | |
| Snowbirds | Mar 10 2008, 12:48 AM Post #1 |
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The tiller on our PB has been acting up most of the winter now it died, the question is do we repair whatever is wrong or replace the tiller with a ginzugroomer to track set the cross country ski trail. What kind of job does the ginzu do compared to a tiller? |
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| Steve.M | Mar 10 2008, 07:55 AM Post #2 |
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We have a 84" (med) Ginzu that is pulled by a Skandic. It is a great peice of grooming equipment and does a nice job of chopping up hardpack. Granted, it is no tiller, but with a few passes, can usually chop up anything. Our limiting factor is with the teeth really set deep, the skandic would have a hard time pulling it, so we adjust depth accordingly. If you are using a PB to pull a ginzu-that is not an issue-you have all the pulling power in the world. A club nearby uses a custom made Ginzu that is about 8' wide, that has a hydrolics running the rams instead of electric acuators. It's pulled by a track truck w/o a problem.The yellowstone tracksetter is really nice and puts down a lot of downforce. We are getting a Tidd Tech G2 soon also, which has similar cutting teeth and will see how they compare. |
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| Grooming-snow | Mar 10 2008, 08:54 AM Post #3 |
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With the tiller you end up with the best base for the track setter to set tracks,pretty much a one pass trip. If you have alot of trail and time is a problem, then replace the tiller. The Ginzu is a great unit! But hard to beat the tiller.
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| couchsachraga | Mar 10 2008, 07:49 PM Post #4 |
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A Ginzu is a poor mans tiller (and my set up is a poor man's Ginzu :rolleyes: . Don't get me wrong, a Ginzu is AMAZING, but it can't touch ice. And when I say Ice I'm talking about the sort you'd normally see fish in, not hard pack with a glaze over it. Slow going with a tiller, but you can make it work. That said, a Ginzu will have less wear, less maintenence, and be easy to operate (likely faster grooming speeds, too). You can't beat a tiller...if you can afford a machine to run it, and the upkeep of said tiller. As great as a Ginzu is, sometimes they will dig a bit too deep (uneven trails) where a tiller you can really focus on just the top bit of trail. I, too, am awaiting news of how the G2 Tidd Tech compares with a Ginzu. And finding a suitcase half full of money to afford a cabbed groomer and a Ginzu:) |
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| Steve.M | Mar 11 2008, 06:18 AM Post #5 |
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(Wasn't there a XC ski groomer thread here somewhere???) Anyway, agreed, a tiller will hammer out solid ice, while a Ginzu will handle really hardpack- you know, March high sun melt at 45 degrees followed by 10 overnight kind of grooming. The spring loaded cutting bar works well on uneven trails and I like it because it will cut off the tops of bumps and fill dips somewhat. (Of course, not like a long ladder style drag). We should be getting out G2 in the next couple days here-we bought a demo that the Birkebiner trail used this winter. I'm really hoping we can compare it to the Ginzu before the ski season is over. The track setters are quite different in design, while the cutting teeth are similar. IF we get a new snowfall, I really want to see how it performs in 3,4,5+ inches. The Ginzu packs snow really well, but doesn't handle deper stuff well without getting loaded up. |
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With the tiller you end up with the best base for the track setter to set tracks,pretty much a one pass trip. If you have alot of trail and time is a problem, then replace the tiller. The Ginzu is a great unit! But hard to beat the tiller.
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