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What machine to look for?
Topic Started: Feb 29 2008, 08:24 PM (763 Views)
Cuppy
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I am a new to this site and have been checking out the forums and you guy seem to know your equiptment.
I will be looking for a small groomer for next season and I do not know what to look for.
I would like something that would pull a 6 foot wide drag in the ditches in our area. The club I belong to seems to only want to groom cross country trails and in years of limited snowfall these can be nothing but dirt so I would like to try grooming the ditches which hold the snow.
What would be good for this a bombi, Thiokol imp, Track truck or what.
I would like to keep it around $8000.
Thanks for any info. :P
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I haven't used a Bombi or Thiokil, but a TT would do it. I don't think they are out of your price range, and ours has been fairly cheap to run.
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I like the idea of a TT as they are fairly inexpensive but will they handle ditches with 4 to 5 feet of snow. I do not know how the whole wheel thing would work in that deep of snow.
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Cuppy
Feb 29 2008, 11:22 PM
I like the idea of a TT as they are fairly inexpensive but will they handle ditches with 4 to 5 feet of snow. I do not know how the whole wheel thing would work in that deep of snow.

Don't know where you are. But, i agree that a TT would be a good choice. 4 or 5 ft ditches will not bother you. I live in the northern half of maine and I've run one for a couple of years. It was enjoyable. we get decent snowfall, and it seemed to work well
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Well 4-5' of new snow the TT won't cut it. But, if you groom it regulary you pack it down so it would do fine. A few years back we had close to 3' of snow on the trails, and it was good when staying on the trail, but one day one of the operators went of the trail and had snow up to the passenger side window. Lots of shoveling.
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Mar 1 2008, 03:06 AM
Well 4-5' of new snow the TT won't cut it.  But,  if you groom it regulary you pack it down so it would do fine.  A few years back we had close to 3' of snow on the trails, and  it was good when staying on the trail, but one day one of the operators went of the trail and had snow up to the passenger side window.  Lots of shoveling.

Been there done that. 16 miles from the nearest road. Had to call for help, but we ended up unhooking the drag and "wheeling" back onto the trail. Then dragging the drag back on. With the amount of base we have now, i wouldn't want to leave the trail with any machine :(
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If you are going to try to build trails and cover washouts in low snow years you should look at somthing with a blade. With a blade you can use all the snow that is avalible to you. You can push snow up into a windrow then build the trail out of it if you get desperate for snow. Also, be carefull where you put your trail, DOT dosen't like trails too close the the road around here. The rule here is 7 meters (21 feet) but they let us squeez it a little in places. :my2c:
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flyingcow
Mar 1 2008, 10:07 AM
Pekabu
Mar 1 2008, 03:06 AM
Well 4-5' of new snow the TT won't cut it.  But,  if you groom it regulary you pack it down so it would do fine.  A few years back we had close to 3' of snow on the trails, and  it was good when staying on the trail, but one day one of the operators went of the trail and had snow up to the passenger side window.  Lots of shoveling.

Been there done that. 16 miles from the nearest road. Had to call for help, but we ended up unhooking the drag and "wheeling" back onto the trail. Then dragging the drag back on. With the amount of base we have now, i wouldn't want to leave the trail with any machine :(

You should have ridden with me last Wednesday night in the PB. That hard icy base underneath with just enough powder on top to float you off the edge... what a PITA! What a long 12hour night! I've never in all my years of grooming, created so many "craters" on the side of the trail :blink:

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Mar 1 2008, 10:39 PM
flyingcow
Mar 1 2008, 10:07 AM
Pekabu
Mar 1 2008, 03:06 AM
Well 4-5' of new snow the TT won't cut it.  But,  if you groom it regulary you pack it down so it would do fine.  A few years back we had close to 3' of snow on the trails, and  it was good when staying on the trail, but one day one of the operators went of the trail and had snow up to the passenger side window.  Lots of shoveling.

Been there done that. 16 miles from the nearest road. Had to call for help, but we ended up unhooking the drag and "wheeling" back onto the trail. Then dragging the drag back on. With the amount of base we have now, i wouldn't want to leave the trail with any machine :(

You should have ridden with me last Wednesday night in the PB. That hard icy base underneath with just enough powder on top to float you off the edge... what a PITA! What a long 12hour night! I've never in all my years of grooming, created so many "craters" on the side of the trail :blink:

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Don't worry I won't tell anyone ;) :floor:
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I don't think I would need a blade as most of the snow around here ( northeast Iowa) in non snow years end up in the road ditches. This is were everyone rides when the cross country tails get bear. I am concerned with the ability of a TT to go into and climb out of the ditches.
Also are skis any help with flotation on the front of a TT and what length of 6 foot wide drag would a TT pull in this situation.
Thanks everyone for your responses.
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The wheels on the front of a track truck really don't have a huge effect on floatation, so I'd say don't try to add skis. They help (very) slightly with turning, but the tracks do the work. The tracks really also provide all the float and are balanced well under the entire machine. There is an advantage, however, with the wheels-they do prevent "pitch-over" on the front going down into a ditch. Climbing out? well, they usually are not touching the ground while pulling a drag.
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Mar 2 2008, 06:50 PM
The wheels on the front of a track truck really don't have a huge effect on floatation, so I'd say don't try to add skis. They help (very) slightly with turning, but the tracks do the work. The tracks really also provide all the float and are balanced well under the entire machine. There is an advantage, however, with the wheels-they do prevent "pitch-over" on the front going down into a ditch. Climbing out? well, they usually are not touching the ground while pulling a drag.

I agree. as long as the ditch sides aren't straight up, she will climb. May take a couple of shots. One park we do the trucks are getting in. The old Park Ranger would keep a 4' to 5' snow bank plowed in front. It was quite a ride going up, and teetering over the other side. We have 3' snow banks right now and I had to do 3 road crossings. Wasn't much of a big deal. As long as you have a little room to back up and go at it, it will go.
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Are the newer TT's better then the old ones and which engine is best or does it matter?
Again thanks for any info.
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