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| stevep | Sep 11 2007, 10:05 PM Post #1 |
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a couple of questions, how much do you guys charge for trail maps, and charge for map sponsers. When do you guys do your signs before or after it snows are they perment or only up for the winter. How do you mount them , on plywood backer , on wood stakes , metal stakes. Are the stakes pounded into the ground or attached to some kind of tempoary stand. Does anyone have any good ideas to install 4'' by 4'' by 6' trail jct post. We are just starting our season and are tring to come up with good idea to make at least the signage go easier. |
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| stevep | Sep 11 2007, 11:00 PM Post #2 |
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here are couple of pitchures of a sign I have been working on trying to make the portable.![]()
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| stevep | Sep 11 2007, 11:11 PM Post #3 |
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I guess I have forgotten how to load pichures I loaded them on photo bucket ok but then what went wrong. |
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| Grooming-snow | Sep 12 2007, 12:28 AM Post #4 |
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On the maps most of are clubs give them out free &some trail sponsors will charge a $1.00 and keep the money and some will give it back to the clubs. Cost of ads on maps can go from $50.00 for business card size ad may be $100.00 & the front can bring $500.00 I’ll be working on are county map again this year we print about 15,000 to 20,000 and that is done every 2 years , we sell about 100 ads at $100 & front and back of the map go for $500 And for when we mark trails depends on the land, if it’s county land, then it’s the signs stay up all year and for the private land if it’s on fields then when ever the land owner gives the go ahead. In wooded private lands we are trying to leave the signs up all year , if the land owner gives the ok to do that. Signs are mounted to 1”x1”x 5’-1/8 angel iron we get all of are signs from www.scenicsigns.com they seem to hold up the best of all. Some club have used 2x2 wooded posts, but they can be hard to pound in if the ground is frozen. Some of the club in Mn. Use fiber glass t-post , if they get run over they will stand right back up, they say they will do that 5 or 6 times before they break off. In are counties we have been asked not to put signs on any trees on public or private lands, because of the nails that would be left in the tree which could be a problem if ever used for lumber. On the jct post. we have taken 15 gal plastic barrels put about 1/4 full of sand and add water , and in the spring we just tip them over and drain the water out , this is only used when we can't pound a post in |
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| stevep | Sep 12 2007, 07:54 AM Post #5 |
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trying to post pictures again![]() closeup
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| rrnut-2 | Sep 12 2007, 12:35 PM Post #6 |
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And to slow down theft of "Stop" signs at the roads, I grease the backs with the blackest and nastiest grease that I can find. It works!
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| stevep | Sep 12 2007, 08:24 PM Post #7 |
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About 2 weeks ago someone in a truck ran over that sign and broke the wood stake. Replaced it with a thicker one. I do like the tought about greese.
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| KCnMarley | Sep 13 2007, 07:55 AM Post #8 |
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In Speculator, New York, the ASRCC snowmobile map is free to the public and we have an annual circulation of 6,000. We charge the businesses for the ad space and we also publish the map on our website with a link to interactive trail conditions. Our club is very lucky to have members (John B. & Nancy C. ) who are very talented and are willing to donate their time to these projects.Here is the link to our website and to the ASCC website. D.R.A.G. of Specultor Adirondacks Region Chamber of Commerce - Snowmobiling Page Check out the interactive map!! As far as signing, we are limited as to what we can do (Brown & Yellow) becaue we are 100% within the ADK park and many trails are locted on state owned property. Here in a typical intersection trail sign. We also use Kiosks at main trail intersections: ![]() Thanks |
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| flyingcow | Sep 13 2007, 09:02 AM Post #9 |
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We use just about anything we can get our hands on that is free. We do buy the plywood for the backers, but it seems to work the best. We have started using corrugated cardboard/plastic sheets. We get these from local stores, that are discarding the signs. (i.e. soda,beer, sales, the heavy duty signs for these items.) Some times when we are trail trimming, we try to use any of the small trees and brush that will make good trail stakes. But I asked for ideas last year on what different types of stakes, and someone suggested using 10' strapping and cutting in half. I liked that one the best. I don't like the idea of iron/metal stakes in the fields where high speeds can be obtained (like Don Mc has written proof of) mainly for safety reasons. Generally, if we don't get our stakes in before the frost, its damn near impossible to drive anything into the ground. In key areas, that we didn't get them in the ground on time, I've been known to use a piece of pipe, and run my exhaust from the pickup into the ground and thaw the the ground that way.Works quicker than you would think. Obviously, don't do that very often, but it works.(Early season) Any ground with gravel in the mix, once the frost sets in, forget it. I have used old truck brakes drums as bases for trail heads. These are in ample supply in our area. Pack the snow around them. Works very good. I like the idea offered by "grooming snow" in using the 15 gal barrels. You's people in the midwest are a clever bunch
We've already started getting light frost warnings, won't be long now.
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| Pekabu | Sep 13 2007, 10:00 AM Post #10 |
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We have some trails on state property, and they don't want anything on trees. So now we are putting in about 100 4X4X6X$$$ a year. Usually use a small backhoe, so much rock in NH we keep breaking shear pins on augers. Also in park there is really only a foot or two of dirt on top of solid rock. We've use plywood. We have a pro sign guy that we were buying this plastic/aluminum sandwich stuff. Great stuff, but pricey a bit. We usually mount the sign on the substrate, then on plywood sign. I will take a picture or two and post later. We tend to put them out and leave them out year round. Some parks hikers get constantly lost so it helps them out too. |
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| Don McMurchy | Sep 13 2007, 09:45 PM Post #11 |
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That hurt Phil!
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| stevep | Sep 13 2007, 10:09 PM Post #12 |
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one good thing is that we have a club sponser that makes packing crates out of 3/4 plywood. Last year he donated 300 , 12x12 pieces for signs. Plus 30- 12''x36 '' and anouther 30- 12''x18'' pieces for making trail jct. The hard part is getting other club members to use them. I can get plenty more because they are made from scrap pieces |
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| flyingcow | Sep 14 2007, 04:21 PM Post #13 |
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At least your "ticket" didn't end up in the local newspaper :rolleyes: |
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| ATCCarl | Sep 15 2007, 02:16 PM Post #14 |
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We use 1 1/4 in x 5ft long EMT Conduit and 1 1/2 PVC schedule 40 6 ft long with a cap (6' makes it easier to put in the truck bed, the cap keeps water out). Pound the emt in to a depth of between 18" to 24" with a post driver then slide the PVC (with sign attached) over the EMT and set with a self tapping screw so it doesn't spin. Both the PVC & EMT can be bought in 20 foot lengths to reduce costs Our Club places about 250 signs each season most of which need to be removed at the end of grooming. |
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| RJ85MSP | Sep 16 2007, 02:39 PM Post #15 |
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Our trail maps are free but we do have a suggested donation price on them and they are displayed in map boxes to help people get the picture. It's a $1.00 donation. We print them for two winter seasons to help defray printing costs and put the disclaimer on there in which trails are always subject to change. As for marking the trails, they HAVE to be in by Dec 1 per our state and trails program. (MN) Most of the time it's the November time frame for install, and April time frame for removal. We use wood 2x2's with a sharpend in at a 30 degree angle or so. They last a few seasons as long as they are put in before it freezes and the people like me don't hit them with the groomer. If were in a woods, we will fasten them to a tree or equiv. I think I covered all your questions? |
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