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| maatthieu | Jul 27 2007, 12:08 AM Post #1 |
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Hi everybody !
im glad to find this forum because im fed up to find anything that can help me on the net.. SO this is my problem : i have a small ground and i want to groom it by myself . But i don't want to buy a full grooming machine. Too expensive and my ground is small So i thought about differents ideas, and i would like you comment that a little, because some of you are professionals in ski area.. the machine must : ![]() -have a tiller or something to groom the surface -not be too heavy, in order to not go down in the snow.. first solution : i buy a old tractor, i add on it tracks, a snow plough (blazer) in the front, a hydraulic pump pluged on the PTO and a snow tiller (the same you can find on the back of grooming machines like Pisten Bully) ![]() problems : -it appears that i can't set up the tracks by myself. I have to send my tractor to somebody in order he make some importants modifications...i don't want, i live too far away... see below : http://www.marcelgrooming.com/default.aspx http://www.ebertwelding.com/groomers/surtrac/ http://www.mclean-ind.com/Snow-related-products.htm i can also order tracks from mattracks.com ou here :http://www.go-storm.com/eng/teamtrack/team_track.html but i wonder if the tracks is large enough... -where i can buy snow tiller like the Pisten Bully have on their back ?? 2nd solution : i bought a old tractor, i add on it tracks, a snow plough in the front, and a treedozer (or mower i m not sure of the term in english...) pluged on the PTO. ![]() problems : -same problem for the tracks than previously -someone told me he already groomed with a mower...what do you think ? 3rd solution : i buy a pick-up car, i add on it tracks, a snow plough in the front and a hydraulic pump on the back to supply a snow tiller in oil.. ![]() problems : -this kind of car is powerful enough to tract a snow tiller ? that's all ! in the first view, it's seems crazy, but i'm sure I can do it ! ![]() if one of you have better idea, don't hesitate to tell me (and sorry for my english, so poor... ) |
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| Nuggs | Jul 27 2007, 03:27 AM Post #2 |
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Well, you sure have found the right site. a. Your english ain't worser much mine than b. The folks on this site WILL have your solution but I reckon for the price of an old tractor and the mods you want, you would be better shopping for a proper groomer. Some are going at reasonable prices you know but they are older.Try www.chameleoninc.com/snowcats or www.resortboneyard.com Postage may be in issue (as it is for me) but they have a nice selection and give you an idea of prices. I think your tractor idea would work out too expensive. Welcome. |
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| maatthieu | Jul 27 2007, 03:52 AM Post #3 |
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yes you are right, buying an old groom machine is cheaper than all the modifications i have to do BUT in my country, the law forbids us to import second-hand groomer ... It's so stupid ! :angry: and sorry, i forgot to tell you that... and thank you for this 2 links. Yes they give a idea of prices |
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| flyingcow | Jul 27 2007, 06:24 PM Post #4 |
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I'm assuming you're from Canada? Where do you live? Your location may help in finding equipment. Ball park idea on $$$'s you will spend. Welcome to the site
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| snoplane | Jul 28 2007, 11:29 AM Post #5 |
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you should go to Soucy Track System on a tractor, as you can us your tractor with all your equipment. loaders, dozers,and 3tp tools.plus rubbers track can be used all summer. call Soucy sale at 819-477-9423 for a dealer near you. our myself here in the midwest 507 665 3889.
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| groomerguyNWO | Jul 29 2007, 05:41 AM Post #6 |
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Where are you from? We just imported a groomer from the states a couple years ago and had no problem. |
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.........takin it one mogul at a time http://trailgrooming.wetpaint.com/ http://snowmobiling.greenstone.ca/ Brian | |
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| SCRR | Jul 30 2007, 03:54 PM Post #7 |
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How cheep is cheep? I just read about a new tracked uttility vehical form ASV. It is a cross between a Gator or RTV and a tracked skid steer. It has auxilary hydrolics front and rear for attachments. The undercarrage design is also used in Cat's tracked skid steers. The base model sells for about $25,000 US.
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| maatthieu | Jul 31 2007, 12:29 AM Post #8 |
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hehe, not from canada, a little bit to the east.. i live in Dalandzadgad in the South of Mongolia. ![]() i asked the price for some product : the 01S-H 2-man track carrier : 142 000 dollars ! (http://www.powertraxx.com/tracked.html)mattracks tracks : 30 000 dollars !! :wacko: (i think it's the same for Soucy Track System... (thank you anyway snoplane)) a snow tiller (the same that we can found in the rear of fullsize grooming machine) : about 30 000 euros !!!! (a new one) (and it's so hard to find a manufacturer) so because it's too expensive for me (i don't want to spend more than 40 000 dollars in totality) i think i will directly buy a tracked machine with a mower plug in the rear PTO. scrr, i didn't know some posi-track machines was so cheap. It's really interesting. the basic model you spoke is that one ? -> http://www.asvi.com/press_release_detail.cfm?NewsID=138 2 week ago, i went in china, in the North of Beijing (WanLong) and saw that : it's a little bulldozer with some ski stick on the track in order to have a low pressure on the snow... i think this kind of machine have already a rear PTO, maybe i have to try it...(don't laugh, i'm serious !! ) |
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| DrZaugg | Jul 31 2007, 03:21 PM Post #9 |
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Maatthieu: If yu would e-mail to me directly, I have an Idea to help you out. Maybe it will work and maybe it will not. paul@zauggamerica.com If you import, what would be the ocean port used? I am very experienced at international shipping etc. Paul |
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| smclelan | Aug 3 2007, 07:19 PM Post #10 |
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How about this, it is from Europe? Not too big, but lots of power, and likely reasonably priced. Small Powerful Groomer |
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| Nuggs | Aug 12 2007, 03:28 PM Post #11 |
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So Maatthieu, Did the boys help you find a solution?.........or did you buy the old Chinese Dozer? |
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but I reckon for the price of an old tractor and the mods you want, you would be better shopping for a proper groomer. Some are going at reasonable prices you know but they are older.


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