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| chuck | Feb 15 2007, 02:18 PM Post #31 |
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Fords, Chevys, BMW. bah.... Preference, Confidence in the support, Get the job done. Group hug!
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| flyingcow | Feb 15 2007, 07:08 PM Post #32 |
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as long as everybody keeps their hands above the waist! :rolleyes: |
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| RJ85MSP | Feb 15 2007, 08:35 PM Post #33 |
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Ooooooh RJ85MSP… (what does your “handle” signify, anyways?) Sorry I didn't put this in the last reply. It's my initials, and a regional jet identifier and I live in minneapolis which is MSP. For my job I "was" a aircraft mechanic, inspector, and lead mechanic for 10 years on those aircraft and a variety of others. We all know what's went on at the airlines over the past 2 years or so. ![]() ![]()
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| Ebert | Feb 15 2007, 10:19 PM Post #34 |
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| drmiller100 | Jan 23 2008, 02:27 AM Post #35 |
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hmmmm....... to stir up an old discussion. I'm fairly new to the grooming thing. We have different issues then many. We have 400 miles of trails we are supposed to groom every week and 3 machines (when they are all running) to do it with. Of those 400 miles, 100 of them need to be done 3 times a week, which adds up to a lot of grooming. We have relatively flat (8 percent grade) wide open roads with 300 sleds a day on them on some weekends. We have tight tight trails that most days you can't go up with the tiller down, and we have a few trails we can only groom downhill on. We can't get our PB edge's up the hill period, let alone with a tiller or drag down. We get a fair amount of snow. I think right now total snowfall is something north of 12 feet, and road signs have long since disappeared. So what I have learned so far. If I take a quality new guy that wants to try, I can put him in the Shur Track, send him up the road, and he can't help but make the trail great if I teach him to not move the pan height very much. If he keeps the front knives on the snow, and doesn't plug the back, he will make a GREAT TRAIL. In fact, the new guy will make a better trail then my best operator can with the PB and a tiller. Some days the Shur Track won't make it over the summit. Then we need to send a PB first to knock the drifts down. The shurtrack doesn't like 5 foot drifts, the PB makes it a fun day. The PB burns more fuel to do the same job. The PB takes a lot more skill then teh shurtrack, even with a drag. We need to get a BIG drag for the PB, but even if the drags were equal, ti is harder to learn to run the PB's then it is to drive a farm tractor down the road. This year the PB's have been a lot more reliable then the Shur Track. I hope it is a fluke, as I really have been talking up the Shurtrack here. We don't consider the snow very deep if you can still see the tops of the tracks as you are driving forward, so the one guy's pics of his tucker on the flat land is something we'd do with the shurtrack with the knives down. Would a tucker work for us? I don't know, never seen one. I do know that teh major trail from the grooming shed over the mountain has 3 switchbacks that require the PB's to back up as they are too steep and too sharp to make it in one stab unless the snow is a week old. We run this trail most days at least twice, once up, and once down. Will the tuckers turn sharper then the PB's?????? Would the tucker be better on the wide open run we want to use our shurtrack on? I'd be curious to hear from someone comparing the deep powder ability of the Tucker vs the Shurtrack. |
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| drmiller100 | Jan 23 2008, 02:34 AM Post #36 |
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so one other question. 2 years ago they were using a challenger on the big road. very low snow year, lots of trips with the pb's to pack trail. wehn done, i was less then impressed wiht the lack of traction when the snow is above freezing. is this a challenger thing, or is it a rubber track thing? It just seems to me that big steel cleets means you can pull a drag when it is above freezing up a hill. thoughts??? |
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| Yannick | Jan 23 2008, 09:35 AM Post #37 |
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I think it's both. The Camoplast rubber tracks and the challenger with two tracks. To remove vibration from using tracks Camolast designed there tracks with the chevrons very close from each other. They removed all traction in snow. The challenger is really not balanced when its time to pull hard or to climb mountains. Its also the problem of all two tracks machine that uses big sprocket such has tractor wheels. But I may be found the machine that joined best of both world
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| Pekabu | Jan 23 2008, 11:32 AM Post #38 |
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I've put several hundred hours on those Case CX 100's. That picture is just freaky! It makes a decent size tractor look small. I assume steering is done with the brakes? |
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| Yannick | Jan 24 2008, 10:45 AM Post #39 |
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Yes. They used it for trenching in peat moss. |
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