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| GBR v Senegal - Rashvan Irmatov | |
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| Topic Started: July 27, 2012, 9:14 am (708 Views) | |
| scottie | July 27, 2012, 9:14 am Post #1 |
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Apologies if I have 'missed' the Olympic thread. Have to say I thought he was very poor last night. Foul detection seemed randon at best with some 'obvious' blocks ignored. He seemed reluctant to caution and then dismiss when required (is there an edict to keep players on the pitch?). I kept wondering where the Irmatov that had refereed so effectively in South Africa had gone. Have to say that I though the far-side Assistant looked out his depth as well. |
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| Grahamexref | July 27, 2012, 10:22 am Post #2 |
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I have to agree with scottie - a poor performance last night. We all know what Irmatov is capable of, but his inconsistency last night was disturbing, and his general control alarming. Foul detection was poor as was his use of yellow cards and he declined to use the red card late on for a second cautionable offence. He was not helped by an equally poor performance from his AR (far side). The challenge on Bellamy was, imo, a penalty kick and straight red for serious foul play and even if Irmatov 'missed' the challenge his AR could clearly see it. However, this was only one of several unfortunate decisions or non-decisions throughout the game, and one can only hope that Irmatov returns to his usual highly consistent form of control if he receives another appointment in the competition. He is an excellent and experienced referee who put in 'a poor shift' last night ! |
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| Les Arbitres | July 27, 2012, 10:50 am Post #3 |
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Agreed, I was shocked especially after his near faultless performances at WC 2010. Based on that performance, he shouldn't receive another appointment. |
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| refcontrol | July 27, 2012, 11:02 am Post #4 |
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This was a below par performance; having been at the game; it was concerning that so much was missed and serious infringements not dealt with. The flash point before halftime on the goal line was a clear example. The challenge was dangerous and late with players squaring up; the referee moves away to move towards an injured player on the halfway line, with his back to the flash point? Only the noise of the crowd alerting him to the aftermath. Very POOR This performance and the nature of the challenges by Sengal give support to players and managers who do not wish their players to be involved in these sort of tournments. That's a pity. |
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| ScottishRef | July 27, 2012, 12:05 pm Post #5 |
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It was a horrible, horrible performance from Irmatov and team. He set the tone early on when he let a couple of very heavy Senegal challenges go due to contact on the ball, but I would have deemed at least one of them reckless and worthy of a caution, never mind a foul. The Senegal no. 10 should have been sent off, no question about it. He gave him what seemed to be a "final warning" early on in the 2nd half, then proceeded to allow him two further fouls without even a word, before totally ignoring his challenge in the dying seconds that was as clear a caution as day. The challenge on Bellamy was horrible. Unquestionable red card offence for the nature of the challenge, and failing to spot it was absolutely astounding. Said to my mates before kick-off that we had one of the "best refs in the world at the moment" doing the game. How stupid I now look. Very surprised by Irmatov's showing. |
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| djw34 | July 27, 2012, 12:26 pm Post #6 |
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Was also at the game and was just left bemused that any Fifa referee/team could fail to protect players the way they did. They were fortunate no players ended up in hospital the way they almost seemed to sanction foul play. Quite appalling IMO........ |
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| DTRv2 | July 27, 2012, 12:52 pm Post #7 |
 
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Given the emphasis that FIFA put on reckless challenges and serious foul play before this tournament, I'd be shocked if he gets another game. Completely caught out of his depth in a game that required strong refereeing. Exposed that he was very fortunate at WC 2010 to get games involving sides happy to just play football. |
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| bmb | July 27, 2012, 1:44 pm Post #8 |
 
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I didn't watch the game. Surprised to hear Irmatov was so poor, he's not one you'd expect to hear that about. He went into the tournament as fav for the final I believe. I watched Brazil v Egypt & the Italian ref was decent in that but he was very lenient to the degree he made Andre Marriner look strict! Brazil & Egypt though mostly played the right way and very few silly moments and the ref did have control of the game at all times. Perhaps they have been told to be lenient, keep players on the pitch and keep games flowing as it makes better viewing. I'm all for that in principal as I prefer that style of refereeing anyway but not if they are going too far and letting bad challenges go. Lets hope it was a one off poor performance from Irmatov. |
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| RCG | July 27, 2012, 4:30 pm Post #9 |
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I have decided to give up predicting who I think will make the latter stages of a tournament, as I seem to be a jinx on them (Kassai at Euro 2012 and now Irmatov). I couldn't believe I was watching the same referee as the one who performed so well at World Cup 2010. I think it is harsh to say he had 'easy' games at the WC but I did feel he looked out of his depth last night as the game wore on. The initial tolerance level was taken by Senegal as the licence to kick. The main talking points have been alluded to above and agree with their interpretations. During the 'fracas' that followed the non-penalty decision the AR had his notebook out, writing something (I even think he had a yellow card in his hand, as mentioned in commentary) yet no-one was cautioned. Having made the decision not to award the penalty there should have been at least one yellow card for dissent to GB players and certainly one for adopting an aggressive attitude towards an opponent (yes these would have been harsh as we knew it shouldve been a penalty but from a control point of view should have been issued). Irmatov and AR2 will be gutted when they are shown the video back and I would suggest Irmatov's only contribution will be 2 matches on the boards before being sent home. Shame as I was so looking forward to seeing him and had also commented to a friend that they would be watching one of the best refs in the world :( Edited by RCG, July 27, 2012, 4:32 pm.
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| Southern_ref | July 28, 2012, 8:22 pm Post #10 |
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Absolutely frustratingly poor. I'm sorry but I'm putting his past performances down to luck. A great referee can have bad games from time to time but this performance left me thinking like he was in his first stages of refereeing! He was making basic mistakes which great referees just don't do however bad a game is going. He looked so in-experienced. |
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| mac | July 29, 2012, 9:18 am Post #11 |
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So you've seen him maybe 6 times, he's had 5 excellent games and one bad one yet you put the 5 down to luck rather than the one? Very harsh! |
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| davet | July 29, 2012, 1:15 pm Post #12 |
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Indeed. I was disappointed by his performance on Thursday, but then Una Hong was off the boil yesterday. Wonder if there is some sort of confusing directive. |
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