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Referees in Football League Cup finals
Topic Started: Thursday, 5. July 2012, 16:19 (2,517 Views)
spk
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I have some holes in my statistics over referees in League Cup finals. I guess some of you could help me out here. The finals I'm missin are;

1982
1973
1970
1969
1968
1962


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1982 was Peter Willis, I think.
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1969 was Bill Handley.
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Thanks
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1968 L J (Les) Hamer of Horwich
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Thank you
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1962 was a two leg match The first leg refereed by A Holland ( Barnsley ) and the second leg by R Mann ( Worcester )

1970 V James ( York )

1973 D Smith ( Stonehouse ) who also refereed the first leg in 1966
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Thanks a lot
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Following on from spk's original query, I have an (incomplete) list of officials for FL Cup Finals. If anyone can help fill the gaps, I'd be grateful. List below:

FOOTBALL LEAGUE CUP FINALS.

Year- Referee, Linesman/ Assistant Referee, Linesman/ Assistant Referee, Fourth Official.
1961- (1st Leg): K.A.Collinge (Hale)
(2nd Leg): C.W.Kingston (Newport)
1962- (1st Leg): Arthur Holland (Barnsley), R. Harper (Sheffield), N.A. Jones (Wrexham)
(2nd Leg): R.H. Mann (Worcester), J.E. Cooke, W.J. Baxter.
1963- (1st Leg): Ernest Crawford (Doncaster)
(2nd Leg): A.W. Sparling (Grimsby)
1964- (1st Leg): Bill Clements (West Bromwich)
(2nd Leg): A.Jobling (Morecambe)
1965- (1st Leg): Jim Finney (Hereford)
(2nd Leg): Kevin Howley (Billingham)
1966- (1st Leg): David Smith (Stonehouse)
(2nd Leg): J.Mitchell (Prescot)
1967- W.Crossley (Lancaster), K. Stokes, E. Henderson
1968- Les Hamer (Horwich), R.V. Spittle, H. Vickers
1969- William Handley (Cannock), W.S. Castle, S. Poulton. (Substitute Linesman: D.H. Murray)
1970- V. James (York), R.A. Paine, F.E. Burrows. (Reserve Linesman: K. Hodgkinson).
1971- Jim Finney (Hereford), Pat Partridge, D.F. Morgan. (Reserve Linesman: C.H. Bond).
1972- Norman Burtenshaw (Great Yarmouth), E. Jolly, J. Griffiths. (Reserve Linesman: B.W. Porter).
1973- David Smith (Stonehouse), J.E. Thacker, J. Flye. (Reserve Linesman: K.V. Kelsall).
1974- E.D. Wallace (Crewe), H. Williams, R.G. Sheppard. (Reserve Linesman: C.B. Wade).
1975- Gordon Hill (Leicester), Roy Capey, B.H. Chapman. (Reserve Linesman: D.Mapp).
1976- Jack Taylor (Wolverhampton), J.W. Craigie, R.F. Atwell. (Reserve Referee: Clive Thomas).
1977- Gordon Kew (Middlesbrough), L.N. Douglas, G.L. Harrhy. (Reserve Referee: W.John Gow).
1978- Pat Partridge (Bishop Auckland), B.K. Robinson, C.W. Cottam. (Reserve Referee: B. John Homewood).
1979- Peter Reeves (Leicester), J. Cross, R.D. Bayley. (Reserve Referee: Ron Challis).
1980- David Richardson (Great Harwood), M.J.R. Barker, B.A. Champion. (Reserve Referee: Brian Daniels).
1981- Clive Thomas (Porthcawl), Mike E. Jeremy, Norman L. Wilson. (Reserve Referee: Peter Willis).
1982- Peter Willis (Meadowfield), A.E. Garland, R. Pallister. (Reserve Referee: Neil Midgley).
1983- George Courtney (Spennymoor), B. O’Leary, N. Riley. (Reserve Referee: Alan Robinson).
1984- Alan Robinson (Waterlooville), Richard J. Clements, Brian Saunders. (Reserve Referee: Joe Worrall).
1985- Neil Midgley (Salford), D.R. Farrall, I.W. Gumbleton. (Reserve Referee: John Martin).
1986- Keith Hackett (Sheffield), Mike Gale, Stuart Martin. (Reserve Referee: Allan Gunn).
1987- Lester Shapter (Torquay), David Keen, Fred Young. (Reserve Referee: Brian Hill).
1988- Joe Worrall (Warringon), Joe Morley, Mike Taylor. (Reserve Referee: Ray Lewis).
1989- Roger Milford (Bristol), Peter Brennan, John Godfrey. (Reserve Referee: Tony Ward).
1990- John Martin (Alton), J.B. Cox, D. Frampton. (Reserve Referee: Keren Barratt).
1991- Ray Lewis (Great Bookham), M.K. Bullivant, J.E. Biddle. (Reserve Referee: Terry Holbrook).
1992- George Courtney (Spennymoor), Colin Jones, Brian Wiggington. (Reserve Referee: Mike Reed).
1993- Allan Gunn (South Chailey), Bob Andrews, John Hilditch. (Reserve Referee: Rodger Gifford).
1994- Keith Cooper (Pontypridd)
1995- Philip Don (Hanworth Park), Bob Jeavons, Roy Pearson. (Reserve Referee: Jim Parker).
1996- R.A. Hart (Darlington)
1997- Martin Bodenham (East Looe), Andy Breckell, Mark Warren, Richard Poulain.
1998- Peter Jones (Loughborough)
1999- Terry Heilbron (Newton Aycliffe)
2000- Alan Wilkie (Chester-le-Street- replaced by Phil Richards, Preston), Trevor Pollard, Wendy Toms, Phil Richards (Steve Brand)
2001- David Elleray (Harrow)
2002- Graham Poll (Tring)
2003- Paul Durkin (Portland)
2004- Mike Riley (Leeds)
2005- Steve Bennett (Kent)
2006- Alan Wiley (Staffordshire), John Holbrook, Paul Norman, Andy Hall.
2007- Howard Webb (Rotherham), Dave Babski, Darren Cann, Lee Probert. (Reserve AR: Gavin Ward).
2008- Mark Halsey (Lancashire), Andy Garrett, Martin Yerby, Peter Walton. (Reserve AR: Dave Bryan).
2009- Chris Foy (St Helens), Peter Kirkup, Andy Butler (replaced by Robert Pollock), Andre Marriner. (Reserve AR: Robert Pollock).
2010- Phil Dowd (Staffordshire), Shaun Procter-Green, David Richardson, Lee Mason. (Reserve AR: Nigel Bannister).
2011- Mike Dean (Wirral), Ron Ganfield, Mike Mullarkey, Kevin Friend. (Reserve AR: Scott Ledger).
2012- Mark Clattenburg (Co.Durham), Simon Beck, Mick McDonough, Anthony Taylor. (Reserve AR: Darren Bond).
2013- Kevin Friend (Leicestershire), Stuart Burt, Scott Ledger, Michael Oliver (Reserve AR: Peter Bankes).


The details are sourced from Gilbert Upton's excellent book on referees, some League Cup Final programmes I have in my possession and from the "Appointments" section of RTR. I doubt we'll be able to identify the linesmen from the pre-1967 finals (which were played over 2 legs) but we may identify some of the more recent ones.

Incidentally, the Football League was ahead of the curve in two interesting respects. They appointed a named "Substitute Linesman" (subsequently designated "Reserve Linesman" as ealy as the 1968-69 Final. The FA did not do so until 1972-73 for the FA Cup Final.

Also, from 1975-76 the League appointed two linesmen and gave the reserve official job to a National List referee, thus anticipating both FIFA and the FA by several years. In 1988-89 Mike Peck was the last NL referee to act as Senior Linesman in an FA Cup Final (Jeff Winter, then a NL Linesman, was reserve official).
Edited by johnlcoyle, Friday, 15. March 2013, 20:42.
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At the 2000 Final, following the injury to Mr Wilkie, Fourth Official duties were taken on by Steve Brand, then of the Wirral, who had gone to watch the game as a spectator
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John, didn't want to reply to such a lengthy post, but for 1962, the linesmen were as follows:

First leg: R Harper (Sheffield) & NA Jones (Wrexham)

Second leg: JE Cooke & WJ Baxter
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Saturday, 14. July 2012, 11:23
At the 2000 Final, following the injury to Mr Wilkie, Fourth Official duties were taken on by Steve Brand, then of the Wirral, who had gone to watch the game as a spectator
Who performed his duties wearing an offensively loud pair of white chinos!
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johnlcoyle: Could you please give me the name of Gilbert Uptons book ? Thanks.
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Saturday, 14. July 2012, 18:51
johnlcoyle: Could you please give me the name of Gilbert Uptons book ? Thanks.
Gilbert Upton, Football League and Premiership Referees 1888 to 2005: a Reference Resource, Published by Soccerdata, 2005. A very interesting book for those keen on refereeing and football history.

Available via Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Football-League-Premiership-Referees-1888/dp/1899468684/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342293365&sr=1-1
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Saturday, 14. July 2012, 11:23
At the 2000 Final, following the injury to Mr Wilkie, Fourth Official duties were taken on by Steve Brand, then of the Wirral, who had gone to watch the game as a spectator
Thanks. I remember Steve Brand reffing Donny when we were in the Conference. One of the better ones of those who never made it to the Football League middle. I don't know if it hindered his career, but he managed to miss a goal in the Donny-Telford game in 2003 when a shot from a Telford player hit a stanchion inside the goal and bounced out. The Telford players all stopped, thinking it was a goal (it should have been) and Rovers went up the other end and almost scored. Justice was done as Telford won the game 3-1.
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Saturday, 14. July 2012, 13:40
John, didn't want to reply to such a lengthy post, but for 1962, the linesmen were as follows:

First leg: R Harper (Sheffield) & NA Jones (Wrexham)

Second leg: JE Cooke & WJ Baxter
Thanks- that was the final Rochdale were in, wasn't it? A Division 4 club (League 2 in current money) in the League Cup Final is surely a feat that will never be repeated.
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Thank you.
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Thanks for the list and book reference. When the Final first went to Wembley in 1967, it was always the intention that the referee should be the senior ref who would not be refereeing an FA Cup Final. That seems to have ended as early as 1971 with the appointment of Jim Finney (FA Cup Final 1963), but has continued on-and-off since then. Some interesting names including:

David Richardson (1980) - never seemed to feature greatly in refereeing circles but did he not ref a Mersey derby in an FA Cup Final semi-final round about the same time? Must have been good, but cannot see that happening now.

Terry Heilbron (1999) - I recall his appointment to the Final as a FL referee created a stir in PL circles, who responded by getting FL refs barred from taking charge of FA cup ties beyond the 3rd round (now 4th round between two FL clubs I believe). Terry also refereed one (or was it two?) Premier play-off Finals (Neil Barry, David Allison, Uriah Rennie and Peter Foakes did the same as FL refs), and this is something which will presumably not happen again under present procedures.

George Courtney (1983 and 1992) - the only ref (I believe) to take charge of two finals. The 'one only' tradition also applies to FA Cup Finals and should (in my view) continue to be applied in the future!
Edited by Acme Thunderer, Tuesday, 17. July 2012, 12:58.
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David Richardson did referee an FA Cup semi between Liverpool and Manchester United in 1979, the year before his League Cup Final. The semi went to a replay which United won leading to the FA Cup Final against Arsenal where there were three goals in the final few minutes. He did referee a Merseyside derby later that year where he sent off a player from each side, very unusual in those days. David did graduate to the FIFA list from 1979-1980 but his appointments after the League Cup Final were not particularly exceptional. However in that period of the early 1980s appointments to top matches were more spread out than today so it wasn't unusual to see international referees handling lots of matches in the lower divisions while every referee had games in the old Division 1.

George Courtney is certainly the only referee in modern times to get one of the major finals twice. He retired in 1992 so I imagine this was done to mark the end of a very distinguished career.
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I remember seeing Dave Richardson referee once or twice. Extremely impressive officiating. He always seemed to be super fit and carried an air of somewhat distinguished authority.
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Monday, 16. July 2012, 17:33
Terry Heilbron (1999) - I recall his appointment to the Final as a FL referee created a stir in PL circles, who responded by getting FL refs barred from taking charge of FA cup ties beyond the 3rd round (now 4th round between two FL clubs I believe). Terry also refereed one (or was it two?) Premier play-off Finals (Neil Barry, David Alison and Uriah Renney did the same as FL refs), and this is something which will presumably not happen again under present procedures.
Heilbron took charge of play off finals for four consecutive seasons. What was then known as Division 3 in 1997, Division 2 in 1998 and Division 1 in 1999 and 2000 (his final match). Not a record that we will see repeated.
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Saturday, 14. July 2012, 20:26
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Saturday, 14. July 2012, 13:40
John, didn't want to reply to such a lengthy post, but for 1962, the linesmen were as follows:

First leg: R Harper (Sheffield) & NA Jones (Wrexham)

Second leg: JE Cooke & WJ Baxter
Thanks- that was the final Rochdale were in, wasn't it? A Division 4 club (League 2 in current money) in the League Cup Final is surely a feat that will never be repeated.
Just spotted this prophecy!!!

:oops: ...

Sorry Mr Coyle Sir! I couldn't resist it.
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Friday, 15. March 2013, 18:04
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Saturday, 14. July 2012, 20:26
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Saturday, 14. July 2012, 13:40
John, didn't want to reply to such a lengthy post, but for 1962, the linesmen were as follows:

First leg: R Harper (Sheffield) & NA Jones (Wrexham)

Second leg: JE Cooke & WJ Baxter
Thanks- that was the final Rochdale were in, wasn't it? A Division 4 club (League 2 in current money) in the League Cup Final is surely a feat that will never be repeated.
Just spotted this prophecy!!!

:oops: ...

Sorry Mr Coyle Sir! I couldn't resist it.
Well spotted! I'd forgotten my rather "bold" prediction when Bradford City reached the final.

I've taken the opportunity to edit my list to include updates. Any more gratefully received.

Oh, and no more predictions from me! ;)
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