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| Who stays and who goes?; Decision time | |
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| Topic Started: June 19, 2012, 10:08 pm (1,350 Views) | |
| ScottishRef | June 19, 2012, 10:08 pm Post #1 |
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The group stages have come and gone, and all of the referees and their teams have had 2 outings each to prove themselves. So following on from the best so far thread, with all 12 referees now completed their full allocation of games, who's going and who's staying? |
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| Hendo | June 19, 2012, 10:18 pm Post #2 |
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I just have a gut feeling that we may be reading too much into previous performances at this event and that such big names as Stark, Rizzoli and others who have not been at their best could be kept on. Political? Probably. So I would expect Corbello, Kuipers, Lannoy, Thomson and Eriksson are among the ones most likely to go but I might be totally wrong |
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| Grahamexref | June 19, 2012, 10:36 pm Post #3 |
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Based on a combination of factors including tournament experience, ability and performance in their two games here, I expect 8 referees to be retained tomorrow : Cakir, Kassai, Lannoy, Proenca, Skomina, Stark, Thomson and Webb ........ alphabetical order ! Consequently, I anticipate that Carballo, Eriksson, Kuipers and Rizzoli will be on their way home. |
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| ScottishRef | June 19, 2012, 10:46 pm Post #4 |
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After his AAR & AR's bad calls tonight, I'm saying Kassai goes tomorrow. I agree with you Graham about the other 7, just swap in Rizzoli for Kassai and that's the 8 I expect to be seeing sticking around. Cakir, Lannoy, Proenca, Rizzoli, Skomina, stark, Thomson & Webb. |
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| notquitearef | June 19, 2012, 11:10 pm Post #5 |
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I agree that it will probably happen, but if Lannoy stays and Kassai goes home it will be a sad, and indeed a bad day for refereeing imo, but I admit that it may have to happen owing to AR/AAR errors. I still think Lannoy has an implosion in him somewhere, but I have had the feeling all along that they have been priming him for a big game in the latter stages. My preferred choices (with the proviso, as refereed to in the post on Kassai's performance that a different team is formed with a different AR and AAR), would be, in order of preference...Kassai, Skomina, Proenca, Cakir, Webb, Stark, Thomson and Rizzoli with Ericsson, Caballo, Kuipers and Lannoy going home. However, on a combination of poor support from their team, political expediency, and "past experience/reputation" (which, as a non-respecter of "reputations" getting you by, I don't agree with at all, because I firmly believe it should be based on how you have performed on merit while you are here alone, not how good you may have been in the recent or even distant past) I think it may be as follows: To stay - Lannoy, Kuipers, Skomina, Webb, Rizzoli, Cakir, Stark, Proenca To go - Kassai, Thomson, Caballo and Ericsson I am fervently hoping it will something approximating the former, I fear that it may be very much like the latter |
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| RCG | June 19, 2012, 11:17 pm Post #6 |
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Not withstanding shock results in the QFs we should also bear in mind that the likely line up for the semi finals will be Portugal, Germany, Spain and Italy or England. That would rule out referees from those nations taking charge of Semis/Final. So I would guess, if they are being retained that would be your quarter final line up - Stark, Proenca, Webb, Rizzoli I think Thomson did enough to stay but not sure Id like to see him in the SFs. Will we see UEFA follow rugby WC and appoint a ref to a QF and a SF? With Kassai's fate in the balance Skomina and Cakir must stand very good chances of further matches |
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| notquitearef | June 19, 2012, 11:20 pm Post #7 |
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RCG I agree completely. Skomina and Cakir, as well as fully deserving to be retained, have a really strong case in that their countries are not represented. I am guessing that one of these two guys may get the final, with the other possibly a semi. I would have no complaints if this happened. |
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| kiszol | June 20, 2012, 2:06 am Post #8 |
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UEFA has a very hard situation to solve here. What about the referee of the Final? IMO there are 5 refs in the 12, who have enough experience and whistled big match to get the Final: Webb, Stark, Proenca, Rizzoli and Kassai. We can exclude Stark, based on his nationality (Germany will probably reach the semis) and the poor performance on ESP-CRO. We can exclude Proenca, based on that he already had one big UEFA final this year. We can exclude Rizzoli, based on his nationality, UEFA won't give the EC final to an Italian again. We can exclude Kassai, based on his last match, his team was weak. So it's straight and easy: Webb for the final. Yes, again, after the WC :) Clearly UEFA won't go with an inexperienced guy like Skomina or Cakir. Maybe a semi, but not the final! So I expect: Plan A: Proenca, Lannoy, Stark and Kuipers for the QFs, Skomina and Cakir for the semis and Webb/Rizzoli for the Final based on the ITA - ENG result. It would be nice, but Rizzoli cannot get it, he is Italian... At this point we might notice how hard is this situation. Kassai is the only one of the 5 big names, who is totally neutral, the other 4 still has their teams in the mix... So UEFA may consider retaining Kassai despite the errors yesterday. (The missed goal wasn't that big error, the AAR couldn't see and it was hardly in.) Plan B: Lannoy (POR - CZE), Kuipers (GER - GRE), Proenca (ITA - ENG), Stark (ESP - FRA) for QFs, Cakir and Skomina for semis, and Webb for the final if Italy makes it to the semis. If England beats them, Kassai might get the Final match, becouse appointing him is the smallest bad decision... Thoughts? |
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| triniboi101 | June 20, 2012, 4:11 am Post #9 |
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Believe four are going home namely Kuipers, Eriksson, Carballo and Kassai based on today.
Edited by triniboi101, June 20, 2012, 4:15 am.
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| dave26 | June 20, 2012, 6:17 am Post #10 |
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I think the Quarter Finals will be Thomson, Erikkson, Skomina, Webb Semi Finals Lannoy, Cakir Final Skomina |
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| scottie | June 20, 2012, 8:37 am Post #11 |
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Quarters Cakir (Turkey) Thomson (Scotland) Lannoy (France) Stark (Germany) Semis Webb (England) Skormina (Slovenia) Final Kassai (Hungary) |
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| edy | June 20, 2012, 9:56 am Post #12 |
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Leave: Carballo, Kassai, Thomson, Kuipers Stay: Webb, Rizzoli, Stark, Cakir, Proenca, Lannoy, Eriksson, Skomina Quarter Finals Webb Proenca Lannoy Stark Semi Finals Cakir Rizzoli Final Lannoy |
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| Ref Fan | June 20, 2012, 10:01 am Post #13 |
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edy, so Skomina doesn't get a game?? Is it tongue in cheek or do you really think Lannoy deserves a QF and the Final, and Rizzoli a semi? Or are these your political predictions? |
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| Les Arbitres | June 20, 2012, 10:25 am Post #14 |
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Based on referees performances including their team of officials. I expect the following appointments. Game 25 Czech Republic vs. Portugal Referee: Cuneyt Cakir Game 26 Germany vs. Greece Referee: Craig Thompson Game 27 Spain vs. France Referee: Pedro Proenca Game 28 England vs. Italy Referee: Bjorn Kuipers Game 29: Czech Republic or Portugal vs. Spain or France Referee: Howard Webb Game 30: Germany or Greece vs. England or Italy Referee: Stephane Lannoy Game 31: Final Referee: Damir Skomina Edited by Les Arbitres, June 20, 2012, 10:26 am.
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| Acme Thunderer | June 20, 2012, 11:59 am Post #15 |
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Agreed, both have performed well so far. |
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| bmb | June 20, 2012, 12:05 pm Post #16 |
 
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I think QF will be: Stark, Proenca, Lannoy & Kuipers SF: Webb & Cakir Final: Skomina with hopefully Kassai as 4th Official Had to review them as I've had Kassai down for the final since day 1! When will it be announced, does anyone know? Edited by bmb, June 20, 2012, 12:07 pm.
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| edy | June 20, 2012, 12:10 pm Post #17 |
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Recent history in Euro shows us that of the 8 remaining referees for QF, SF and Final only 6 get a game and 2 are being used only as FO. Plus the final Referee comes from the QF. I gave Rizzoli a SF for 2 reasons. 1st Collina and 2nd I believe Italy won't go through. Oh and about Lannoy I think his time for a final has come. Edited by edy, June 20, 2012, 12:11 pm.
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| Ref Fan | June 20, 2012, 12:21 pm Post #18 |
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Edy, So nothing to do with performances so far in this tournament? |
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| jonnygold | June 20, 2012, 12:47 pm Post #19 |
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Historically, the final ref does not come from the QF. In 2000 and 2004, Frisk/Merk had 2 Group Games and then only the Final. Only in 2008 did a QF ref get the final (Rosetti). |
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| edy | June 20, 2012, 12:57 pm Post #20 |
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Based on performances I would kick off the tournament most of the officials. The only referees who really deserve to stay are: Lannoy, Cakir and Proenca. But we can't have the rest 7 matches with only 3 referees. |
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| Nacho | June 20, 2012, 1:41 pm Post #21 |
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Kuipers, Velasco, Stark and Kassai are going home |
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| babyref | June 20, 2012, 2:03 pm Post #22 |
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Wow, very surprised about Stark- thought he has had a much better tournament than Lannoy and Erikson. |
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| babyref | June 20, 2012, 2:04 pm Post #23 |
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Also, I think they might use Webb and Proenca in the quarters just so that they can use them in case Portugal and England get through to the semis. |
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| Ref Fan | June 20, 2012, 2:08 pm Post #24 |
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Didn't think Stark was particularly good but I'm surprised he's going and not Rizzoli. Obviously Kassai has paid for the mistakes of his Assistants. |
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| babyref | June 20, 2012, 2:25 pm Post #25 |
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I think they'll regret this if France progress to the semis- will leave them with some fairly inexperienced referees to choose from (Thomson or Erikkson) for a very big game. |
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