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| Topic Started: May 26, 2012, 3:49 pm (7,193 Views) | |
| Pinkref | May 26, 2012, 3:49 pm Post #1 |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-2150193/David-Bernstein-wants-stay-FA-chairman--Charles-Sale.html well done FA didn't think they had it in them disgraceful behaviour from a so called role model and ambassador |
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| bmb | May 26, 2012, 3:54 pm Post #2 |
 
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The right decision I feel, although some slated me for saying it at the time! ^o) Whatever good she had done before then & I accept there was a lot of good, she ruined the day she lost her integrity & honesty. Shame because she was an asset up until then. |
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| JAH_LFA | May 26, 2012, 4:01 pm Post #3 |
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Thanks for joining to post that, Pinkref. Also, it was so great that the Daily Mail, the mainstay and bastion of everything moral, brought this to our attention and beat it with a stick until they had an outcome fed to them. |
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| MikeE | May 26, 2012, 4:13 pm Post #4 |
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The original e-mails about this were leaked to Daily Mail, hence they ran the story & stuck with it. Suppose the e-mails had not been leaked? Would a senior FA employee still be in post? Ms Frampton made a serious error of judgement and abused her position. Vent your feelings towards her, not the messenger. |
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| philtheref | May 26, 2012, 6:30 pm Post #5 |
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The Daily Mail is a poisonous excuse for a Newspaper end of The fact that they delight in looking for negativity in everything and launching offensively moralistic campaigns in a holier than thou manner is as indefensible as the actions of Ms Frampton. A responsible publication might have mentioned it once and then moved on and left the authorities to deal with it but not the Daily Fail. Is it coincidence that the rag which employs the self aggrandising buffoon who is Graham Poll has now run unnecessarily critical moralistic and critical stories about two senior figures involved in Refereeing? Somehow I doubt it |
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| Les Arbitres | May 26, 2012, 11:26 pm Post #6 |
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Dry your eyes mate, you make deals with the devil, sometimes you could get burned !! Next |
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| JAH_LFA | May 26, 2012, 11:28 pm Post #7 |
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:yawn: :parrot: |
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| notquitearef | May 27, 2012, 9:54 am Post #8 |
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Before I continue, please may I say that I too am in no way whatsoever a fan of the Daily Mail as a publication, and am probably in a minority, in that I think some form of regulation of our glorious "free press" is long overdue. I only hope Lord Leveson not only agrees, but eventually takes action to ensure this happens, although I am not building up my hopes too highly. Having said that, I do have one question. If this had not been leaked to the Daily Mail, would Ms Frampton's actions have ever come to light to the wider public, and what action, if any, barring a very slight rap over the knuckles with a "don't do that again" would have been taken by the powers that be? I am no fan of kangaroo courts, but at least the severity of her misdemeanour was brought to light. Also, given the possibility of appeal/tribunal action for wrongful dismissal etc, I am sure the decision to dismiss her was thought to be appropriate and taken on proper and considered legal advice, and not just as a kneejerk reaction to the Dail Mail article. I also am a bit mystified as to the "the Daily Mail/like a dog with a bone/ wouldn't let it drop etc" inferences...I don't buy the publication, and never will, but I hardly think it has been given daily coverage a la Jeremy Hunt/BSkyB for example... Have they done much more than publish the original leaked information and the end result ie her eventual dismissal...or have they been campaigning in between and calling for her head on a regular basis since the news of her alleged offence first came out.... |
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| JAH_LFA | May 27, 2012, 1:20 pm Post #9 |
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They've mentioned it on numerous occasions and even suggested that, basically, The FA have swept it under their carpets because they didn't have the outcome that they wanted within a week or so. |
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| notquitearef | May 27, 2012, 3:12 pm Post #10 |
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Thanks for the clarification JAH_LFA. I take back the comments that there was no DM witchhunt. However, having said that, the person who leaked it to the DM had a sense that there was something pretty dubious going on, and it would have been difficult, with or without the media contribution for any self-respecting organisation to come to any other deciosion than the one they have made. I'm afraid Diane Frampton fell into the trap that many do, of viewing themselves as being way more important than they actually are, and somewhat naively and stupidly falling into the trap of believing their own publicity, and I'm afraid she has justifiably paid the price and has had to learn a very hard lesson. |
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| Old Git | May 27, 2012, 10:27 pm Post #11 |
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I believe Janie had become increasingly less popular in recent times among her peers. To commit such an error of judgement against such a backdrop is to effectively sign your own death warrant. If the media coverage is correct it was a crass and arrogant act. That said she will not be the first or last to have an inflated sense of their own importance. She has served the FA well and merits good wishes for the future. |
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| davet | May 27, 2012, 10:31 pm Post #12 |
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Indeed local and national FA's are overstocked with people who think that being a high-profile or capable referee makes them ideal at managing or supervising others. Invariably it becomes a stepping stone for them to massage their own egos and attempt to feather their own nests or abuse their positions. |
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| Pinkref | May 28, 2012, 9:35 pm Post #13 |
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agree with old gift Janie Frampton thought she had become invincible and was extremely unpopular and had lost respect amongst a lot of County FA figures and R.D officers. The woman thought she was invisible and unfortunately got caught this wouldn't have been the first time just the first occasion she was caught |
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| hallux | June 5, 2012, 11:32 am Post #14 |
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My understanding is that the time was spent checking the history of some ticket allocations. Whilst Ms Frampton has been dismissed, an appeal against dismissal has been lodged, which means the case is far from closed. |
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| JAH_LFA | June 5, 2012, 11:45 am Post #15 |
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Don't let the Daily Fail get hold of that nugget of information! They'll be up in arms over it! |
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| refinell | June 6, 2012, 10:00 am Post #16 |
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I find it amazing that during the sexism row which led to the sacking of certain commentators Janie Frampton took the moral high ground and was quoted on Jan 26 2011 in the Express as saying; “The fact that Andy has been sacked is really good news for women and for football as a whole, It shows that any unacceptable behaviour will be dealt with appropriately". Now surely, for an apparently well respected F.A. employee with such high morals to speak about the sacking of someone for innappropriate behaviour, she should do the decent thing herself and go quietly.... Or do morals only count when speaking about someone else using 'unacceptable behaviour' |
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| Mr Lenient | June 6, 2012, 11:34 am Post #17 |
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The coverage of the story by the Daily Mail - IMO this is what newspapers do, som better than others but they chose to rn a story of a senior FA official effectively using her position of trust/power to obtain an upgrade. Is it only me who thinks this is discraceful on her part and she has paid the ultimate price and by the way I do not read the paper but agree 100% with its publication. We the generall public deserve the right to know what she or indeed people like her are upto!!!! Janie has been found guilt of gross misconduct after what I guess is a long enquiry by her emploers (The FA). Why are people supporting what she has done and referring to if the paper as correct or not? She quite simply abused her position and has been very hypocritical ib her actions. Again I will agree with The FA as her emploer and their decision to sack her. If indeed she has lodged an appeal I would imagine it is against the way in which she has been dealt and the fact somebody has not followed procedure because the decision to sack her based on this would in law be correct! Lets hope her appeal fails and The FA can move forward to appoint somebody who will have both integrity and comon sense for the future!!! |
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| bmb | June 6, 2012, 12:23 pm Post #18 |
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I agree 100%. I said the second the scandal broke she should be sacked. Us lower down the chain would have been & far quicker than she was! |
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| Pinkref | June 6, 2012, 8:02 pm Post #19 |
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well said refcontrib absolutely spot on |
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| djw34 | June 6, 2012, 8:31 pm Post #20 |
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No complaints from me. Dealt with appropriately by the FA.... |
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| refinell | June 7, 2012, 9:12 am Post #21 |
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So why are Sports Officials UK saying that the decision to sack Janie Frampton is disgraceful? Does this mean that they condone the misuse of ticket privileges? Also FIFA are reportedly standing by Janie Frampton during her appeal. So are they saying that the FA are wrong to sack someone for doing what she did? Surely they must all have access to the same evidence that the FA have! I think pressure needs to be applied to everyone involved to do the right thing and send the correct signal out to anyone else doing this. (as I am sure, just like the politican claims scandal there will be others!) Also Janie Frampton should do the right thing and go quietly. This way she may well retain a little bit of the respect she has built up over the years in the referee community. |
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| rustyref | June 7, 2012, 9:20 am Post #22 |
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Perhaps because the CEO and Director of Sports Officials UK is a certain Ms J Frampton ....? |
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| philtheref | June 7, 2012, 9:22 am Post #23 |
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I, and indeed many others, have never done anything but concur with the decision that Ms Frampton should be dismissed from her position as she is/was obviously guilty of gross misconduct. My issue (and seemingly that of some others) is with the high handed and moralistic way that the Daily Fail has reported not just this issue but also many others. It is not the moral guardian of british society it is (allegedly) a Newspaper and not a very good one at that IMHO Newspapers I choose to read report the facts of the matter without 'going off on one' Surely it would have been sufficient to report (a) that her alleged misconduct was being investigated (b) that she had been found guilty and dismissed and (c) that she was appealing or am I just being niaive? |
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| JAH_LFA | June 7, 2012, 10:08 am Post #24 |
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Could not agree more... however, there are certain people in the World who believe every single word written in the newspapers and then build up their pitchfork army. And I highly doubt that those people live a 100% moralistic life either. |
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| refinell | June 7, 2012, 10:09 am Post #25 |
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Then perhaps you should take your issue up with the press or in one of their forums. As far as I am aware this forum is for the discussion of referees and not the press. Let's try and keep things in here about the topic in hand. Who thinks that the FA will be forced into giving Ms Frampton her job back? I am afraid to say that I think that is what will happen. Let's hope that discussions like this one put a little bit of pressure on them to uphold the dismissal of Ms Frampton. Although sadly I think not. |
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