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| Topic Started: August 14, 2011, 4:28 pm (30,482 Views) | |
| philtheref | April 30, 2012, 4:23 pm Post #276 |
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To my esteemed colleague 'notquitearef' and in the most positive manner I fear that I must advise a small error of geography (although the alliteration was both awesome and acceptable) Mr Taylor is, despite what one might read, not in fact from Wythenshawe but originates from leafy Altrincham (which incidentally is considered by some to be also awesome and acceptable) This probably isn't of huge import to the majority but earlier in the season a number of correspondents became horribly het up when a Referee from Wythenshawe (Manchester) was appointed to Officiate a game involving Manchester United, despite that fixture being in Wolverhampton. The cumulative ire subsided somewhat when it was pointed out that Anthony is a Cheshire FA Referee. Hence I am not being confrontational over this, merely trying to get my retaliation in first lest the issue be resurrected. |
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| notquitearef | April 30, 2012, 11:33 pm Post #277 |
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philtheref from philnotthe ref (for phil is indeed my name too) Many thanks for pointing out the geographical faux pas...shame on me...how could I?...the difference socially and economically between Wythenshawe and Altrincham is indeed of of chasmic proportions!! If you know Anthony at all, please don't let him know about my grave error, but do let him know that I think that he is very much progressing in the right direction if this season is anything to go by. Hoping he has a fantastic FA Trophy Final, and he is indeed fortunate to ably supported by Sian Massey whose praises I was exulting following her fine performance at Wigan at the weekend. I take it that you may be from the Greater Manchester area perhaps...more awesome, acceptable Altrincham way than Wythenshaw I would imagine...lol |
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| philtheref | April 30, 2012, 11:51 pm Post #278 |
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To Phil notquite a Ref, I've just re read my post which, although it is in no way an excuse, was composed just as my tea was becoming ready to remove from the Oven and therefore (to my significant regret) was not adequately checked prior to posting. I see now that the post falls into the "significantly arsey and grumpous" category which I strive to avoid. I should have phrased it somewhat differently and apologise for the tone. I will indeed be speaking to Anthony over the next few days and will, as requested, restrict the range of my conversation to matters other than his reported locus. Again, please accept my profound apologies |
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| notquitearef | April 30, 2012, 11:59 pm Post #279 |
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philthe ref. Gasp...spluitter what are you apologising for exactly??... Your message was positively civility itself...especially in comparison to what certain people were saying about me yesterday...lol now that definitely was "significantly arsey and grumpous" and you can bet your bottom dollar there won't be any apology forthcoming!! Do give the Awesome, Amazing, Anointed, Acceptable Altrincham one my regards and best wishes for the FA Trophy final. |
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| bmb | May 1, 2012, 5:09 pm Post #280 |
 
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You mean that the oracle that is Wiki is wrong! :o http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Taylor_(referee) Aren't they neighbouring boroughs or however you would describe them or have I my geography screwed up again? Was never very good at it! Not trying to start any row here at all as I don't know the area. Does it really make that much difference in terms of county borders & which FA you would come under? I know the borders can be very skewed, we're 10/15 miles into Dorset yet come under Hants FA, the local league on the park next door to our ground comes under Dorset FA so I understand fully how living one side of the road can render you in a different county FA to the other side of the road. Exceptional young ref though where ever he is from & I believe will be a FIFA candidate within 18 months. He's had a brilliant season. |
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| philtheref | May 2, 2012, 9:37 am Post #281 |
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bmb You are indeed correct. In fact Wythenshawe as a district is part of the Altrincham District FA and therefore Cheshire County FA whilst, in Local Government terms being part of Manchester. It makes very little difference to me, and indeed to, I think, the majority of people but sadly some folk have got extraordinarily hung up about a Manchester Referee officiating Manchester United (oddly no such kerfuffle when he Refereed Man City) The irony in this is that Altrincham is part of the Trafford MBC area, as is Old Trafford so the conspiracy theorists should have got more wound up about him being from Altrincham. Incidentally I also find the whole thing quite offensive as comments relating to where a Referee originates from when he is Reffing a particular team seem to me to impugn their integrity |
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| notquitearef | May 2, 2012, 10:29 am Post #282 |
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Philtheref I do so love this site and where it goes. Now we are into the complex intricacies of local politics.....Am I right in thinking that you are saying that the Awesome Altrinchiam has refereed Manchester City without so much as a murmur but there would be uproar if he took control of Manchester United. Pardon me for appearing to be a bit thick...I promise you it isn't the first time and it sure won't be the last...but do both clubs not begin with "Manchester" perchance. I am sure, as a huge Mike Dean fan that you are no doubt still smarting from his removal from the Liverpool v West Ham FA Cup Final because the Wirral is but a stone's throw..almost literally, away from the opposite side of the Mersey! It's a bit of a trend for poor MD, in that not only was he overlooked for Monday's game of the centure to be replaced by Andre Marriner, who the concensus being, had a bit of a barnstormer, but Mike Dean was replaced by Alan Wiley who also had a magnificent game in one of the best FA Cup Finals of more recent times. Doesn't appear to have too much luck does poor Mr Dean it would appear! |
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| bmb | May 2, 2012, 1:59 pm Post #283 |
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Thank you that makes it much clearer. I agree with you on the comments regarding where someone hails from, does it really matter at the end of the day. The fact is, imo, not one ref on the national list, whether NG or SG would make it to that level if they didn't consistently referee with fairness and honesty. They are the best in the country, they have worked hard to get there & it doesn't matter if we like them or not ourselves, they have impressed the right people at the right time & worked hard for many years to get where they are. It is not the type of profession that you can get by on dishonesty. I was born in London, a stones throw from WHU, I have zero affinity for the area though whereas Dorset I do. If I was a top flight ref I'd not be able to referee WHU because of where I was born nor AFCB & probably not Stains because of AFCB! The latter 2 yes fair enough but the 1st one, why? These guys would not make it to the top without having integrity. |
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| bmb | May 3, 2012, 1:36 pm Post #284 |
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Have just watched the video from that Halesowen game! Edited by bmb, May 3, 2012, 1:37 pm.
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| mooney | May 3, 2012, 2:49 pm Post #285 |
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bmb Agree with the pen??? |
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| bmb | May 3, 2012, 3:34 pm Post #286 |
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Yes I do and the sending off. You had a decent game by all accounts :) |
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| mooney | May 3, 2012, 3:47 pm Post #287 |
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Do you know someone then that watched? |
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| bmb | May 4, 2012, 8:20 am Post #288 |
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Half the staff there work at AFCB so I asked them! No-one had a bad word to say about you, you'll be pleased to know! :D |
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| mooney | May 4, 2012, 10:38 am Post #289 |
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That's good to know because poole fans can be very critical sometimes lol |
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| bmb | May 4, 2012, 5:50 pm Post #290 |
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Haha yes I know!! Whole heap of AFCB fans going on Monday so pity the poor man in the middle!! ;) Let me know next time you are there or Wimborne & I'll try & pop along to watch you. I promise I'll behave :D Edited by bmb, May 4, 2012, 5:50 pm.
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| mooney | May 4, 2012, 6:20 pm Post #291 |
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haha i will lets hope AFCB are away ;-) |
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| Jim Carr Fan Club | May 5, 2012, 10:23 am Post #292 |
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Thursday 3rd May 2012 NWCFL Challenge Cup Final Bacup Borough 5 v 0 Maine Road Gary Stott (Middleton); Nigel Freelove, Josh Masheder: 4thers Joe Hull Back once more to Ashton and the Tameside Stadium. My early impression led me to wonder if Mr Stott had been awarded this final as a reward prior to retirement. When running backwards he was speedy and moved well, but his normal forward running seemed rather stiff and he was at times quite a way from where one might have hoped to see him, though about 20 minutes from the end he began to develop quite an impressive sprint. He was however a good communicator with a polite and smiling manner. I particularly enjoyed his tutorial on how to foul: "That's silly, that! Two hands - it's so easy." Obviously he wanted more of a challenge! Maine Road appeared to be the stronger side in the first half hour, but then Bacup were awarded a free-kick near the (attacking) right corner of the box when their attacker hurdled a defender's tackle and was slightly miffed not to be allowed advantage. His view doubtless altered when the resulting shot hit the inside of the far post and bounced into the net. Maine Road still looked dangerous but two minutes into injury time a cross from the Bacup right was turned in by a defender. In the early stages of the second half, Mr Stott did not endear himself to the Maine Road fans, though JCFC saw nothing much to complain about. On 63 minutes another break down the Bacup right saw the defender badly outpaced and the winger was brought down as he ran into the box. Mr Masheder instantly signalled for the penalty and Mr Stott agreed, putting Bacup 3 ahead. Another attack down Bacup's right a few minutes later saw the keeper parry a shot, which was then scrambled in rather untidily. Maine Road kept trying and the Bacup keeper had to make a very good save on 78 minutes. To this point the game appeared to have been played in a good spirit, with no major fouls and a generally friendly approach. A scything tackle out of nowhere by the Maine Road number 6 changed that, however, with a prolonged melee before Mr Stott and his assistants could calm things down, with a well-deserved caution for the tackler and, apparently on Mr Masheder's advice , another for their number 5. Bacup's fifth came shortly before the end after Maine Road had given the ball away. In additional time there was another - lesser - bout of jostling after a foul by Bacup, this time a few words being sufficient. As play continued a couple of minutes later there was a spell of repeated pushing between Bacup's number 6 and the Maine Road number 11, but this went apparently unnoticed and at the final whistle all seemed to be sweetness and light once more. The fixture backlog had caused problems - Maine Road had played the night before, while Bacup had played on Tuesday but refused to play on the Wednesday as well. Had they done so, one can only speculate whether the result would have been the same. Friday 4th May 2012 NWCFL Premier Silsden 1 v 0 Maine Road Mick Denton; Victor Evans, Michael Ainsworth So Maine Road came to Silsden to play their third match in three days. Not surprisingly, perhaps, the match lacked excitement, the main talking-point being how cold it was. Silsden scored the game's only goal after 56 minutes. Other than the fact that his hair was less closely cropped than usual, this was a typical Denton performance (socks and all!), with first rate communication and a cheerful, touchy-feely manner throughout. It could be argued that Mr Denton's assessment of advantage was a little inconsistent. He regularly called play back with the cry "No advantage!" when the fouled team had possession and were not under any obvious pressure, but on a couple of occasions called advantage when the award of the kick might have been better. For most of the match he was not required to take strong action. A foul by Maine Road early in the second half saw a delayed burst of huffing and puffing as Mr Denton checked the injured player, but the admirably stentorian assistant was quickly on the scene to sort things out. The only bad challenge was by Silsden's number 7, who jumped into a two-footed tackle towards the end. As Mr Denton sorted things out, the home supporters were saying "You can't do that. He'll be lucky if he gets a yellow." He did - and yes, he was. |
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| bmb | May 5, 2012, 12:03 pm Post #293 |
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Awww sweet so you do want me there!! :D |
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| mooney | May 5, 2012, 12:51 pm Post #294 |
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make a change to have a freindly face in the crowd :bow: |
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| Jim Carr Fan Club | May 5, 2012, 10:19 pm Post #295 |
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I believe there was a match of some sort in North London this afternoon, but surely the only place to be was: Saturday 5th May 2012 NWCFL Premier Bacup Borough 3 v 6 Winsford United Alan Clayton (Hyde); Tom Kirk, Robert Clare Mr Clayton's gleaming dome had featured prominently in "the dribbling code"'s account of a match at Frickley some time back, from which the referee did not emerge too favourably, so I was less than thrilled to find his name in the programme and my mood was not improved on discovering that the recent fixture glut meant that the usual excellent Bacup pie had been replaced by some rather nondescript pasties. The sun was out, however, and the weather was positively balmy (for Bacup at any rate) - at least until the last ten minutes when white stuff began to fall from the sky. In truth there was plenty to commend in Mr Clayton's performance, though the players did not necessarily agree all the time. Winsford went ahead after 4 minutes, and scored again after 12. Bacup repeatedly claimed offside this time and did not seem to accept Mr Kirk's clear (and from my viewpoint correct) explanation. A minute later Bacup claimed a foul and when this was not given, their number 9 sought revenge with a silly challenge, a Winsford player reacted and words were had with both. Soon afterwards Bacup's number 7 was spoken to for contesting an offside decision against a team-mate. Bacup's next problem came when a defender was hit by the ball and went down "winded." Mr Clayton was berated by the keeper for not stopping play, but as Bacup were in possession the remedy was in their own hands. Eventually he gave way and whistled - just before the ball was finally kicked into touch. Of course no treatment was required and it was Winsford's turn to argue when pay restarted with a drop-ball rather than the throw. "It wasn't out - end of!" was the answer. Midway through the half Bacup's 9 was flagged for a foul by the assistant. Mr Clayton's hand went to his pocket as number 8 showed his dissent, but in the end it appeared to be the 9 who received the card, my guess would be for a reaction rather than the actual foul. The Bacup manager was making an appearance in the role of a very, very deep sweeper and he nearly escaped Mr Kirk's notice on 30 minutes. He is only half the size of a normal defender (in height at least) so Mr Kirk's half flag was almost justified. Fortunately it was withdrawn quickly enough not to affect play and Mr Clayton reacted jovially enough. Winsford's number 9 was spoken to for an overstrong challenge and received a yellow card for a foul three minutes later. Mr Kirk's tricky quarter of an hour continued when the keeper asked how long to go only to receive the reply "It's stopped, broken." Given that he had a watch on each wrist, one was tempted to think of Lady Bracknell's comment "To lose one parent, Mr Worthing......" Things were to get still worse for him as he flagged for a Winsford penalty, just as Mr Clayton decisively waved it away. After consultation, play restarted with a throw-in. In fairness the decision was probably Mr Clayton's to give as he was well placed. In equal fairness when Mr Clayton was quizzed (mildly) by Winsford before the second half, he gave his view, adding "My mate didn't agree." To his credit, young Mr Kirk (whose name appeared on the recent list of those promoted to Level 3) bounced back in the second half and gave as good as he got with a whole series of idiotic offside/ not offside claims and appeared absolutely correct on every occasion. Winsford had added a third early in the half, but Bacup soon got one back, when a man on the far side was in an offside position, but the scorer clearly on. When Winsford's number 11 was fouled, he whinged, prompting a call of "It's a free kick - he knows it - relax!" Winsford added their fourth and on the hour Bacup's number 5 tripped an attacker and was rightly cautioned - but not until after Winsford's number 11 had seen yellow - "For what he said. I'm not going to shout it, put it that way!" A subsequent attacking free-kick to Bacup saw no challenge from Winsford, making the score 2-4. The next incident was an odd one: A Winsford player was fouled, Mr Clayton shouted "Play on.... play on.....advantage", Winsford cleared the ball up to the Bacup penalty area, whereupon Mr Clayton whistled and awarded the free-kick. Bacup's hopes were raised when the visiting keeper completely missed an attempted clearance kick leaving the attacker with an easy finish. Winsford were by now being caught offside with monotonous regularity, but on 87 minutes number 10 sprung the trap, deftly lobbed the keeper but saw a defender manage to get back in time, though the stay of execution was only momentary as Winsford scored within seconds, adding a sixth deep into additional time. JCFC had been wondering how a match with so little at stake had managed to generate such an amount of heat - or hot air at least. The answer was provided by Bacup's number 9 who told the assistant with a big grin that they had three months off now and it would be three months before he could moan at anybody again. Obviously they were after their pound of flesh today. Mr Clayton covered the ground well, generally showed good judgement in deciding what to penalise, explained his decisions and non-decisions and communicated well with his assistants. Despite his slip-up, I look forward to seeing Mr Kirk in the middle at some point next season. |
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| notquitearef | May 5, 2012, 10:52 pm Post #296 |
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JCFC Masterful reporting yet again. Do Radio 5 Live know what they are missing perchance? I must pass comment though at the ridiculously punishing schedule these guys have had to put up. Bacup 3 games in 5 days and Maine Road 3 games in 3 days. Did Maine Road take to the field at Silsden clasping flasks of coffee in one hand and smelling salts in the other! I'm surprised they weren't comatose by half time. Don't these people also have families and jobs to juggle alongside their footballing commitments!? 'Tis sheer lunacy!! |
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| wclark1238 | May 6, 2012, 8:53 pm Post #297 |
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NPL, Prem Division Play-Off Final. Bradford Park Avenue vs. FC United of Manchester 6th May 2012; 1400 hrs Referee: J Brooks First things first.......I don't believe that Mr Brooks' performance had any particular bearing on the result of the match. BPA were the better side on the day and deserved their hard fought 1-0 victory. Match went to extra time and BPA's winner was scored with little more than 2 mins remaining. However, despite his performance having no bearing on the outcome I was very, very disappointed by the referee's display. His foul detection was extremely erratic - as judged by this far from neutral observer. Within the first 30 minutes he'd already managed to draw the ire of players of both teams as his whistle happy approach had prevented possible promising attacks when advantages were begging to be offered. The pitch was very firm thus putting a premium on good touch and technique and players of both sides were found lacking in both at regular intervals resulting in more than a few occasions where 2nd touches were in the form of sliding tackles. Whilst Mr Brooks seemed content to let the players play when making full-blooded tackles on the deck he seemed to find cause to penalise a very large proportion of contact when it originated as a result of aerial challenges. I'm sure that some of the fouls that he awarded were valid but he seemed overly sensitive to what looked to this observer to be fairly routine incidental contact. It's normal to see defenders and attackers both 'feeling' for their opponents as they jockey for position under a high ball but many of these normal contacts (seemingly absent of any shirt-pulling) resulted in free-kick awards. As I recall it there were 3 YCs issued:- Away 5, Adam Jones, had little complaint about his as he cynically tripped his opponent after a kind ricochet had threatened to see BPA break away just beyond halfway. Home 5, James Knowles, also took his punishment with little complaint. A poor first touch by away 11, Stephen Johnson, led to a 55:45 ball in a central position some 6 or 7 yards outside of the BPA area. Johnson arrived at the ball marginally before Knowles who took the attacker with a thunderous tackle which missed ball by some margin but definitely took man. Home 6, James Riley, also appeared to know his fate immediately having committed his needless late lunging tackle on away 9, Mike Norton, adjacent to the corner flag as the regulation 90 minutes had just about expired. In addition to these YC challenges I saw 3 or 4 other things that seemed noteworthy to me. There were 2 flashpoints that saw both assistants beginning to make their way onto the pitch as if to get better positions to collect evidence as we have grown accustomed to see in event of 'mass confrontation'. The first happened near the dugout side touchline (opposite side from my vantage point) midway through the first half. The final act was a very, very poor two-footed lunge by home 3, Adam Drury, which, to my eye, looked red card worthy. A handful of the FC United players also were unimpressed leading to a confrontation that never really looked like getting out of hand. When the dust settled BPA found themselves beneficiaries of a free-kick award presumably for an earlier infringement. As best I could tell Drury didn't even receive as much as a verbal admonishment from Brooks, very surprising to me. Drury was also involved in the second episode that drew assistants in towards the middle from their touchline stations. This one occurred in extra time and I failed to see what precipitated it but what I did see was away 4, Jake Cottrell, on top of Drury with Cottrell certainly throwing at least two and possibly three blows - maybe closed fist punches, maybe open handed slaps - directed at Drury who was appearing to go out of his way to prevent his opponent from getting up. This all seemed to happen under the gaze of Brooks but he again failed to brandish any cards. On this occasion he did call together Cottrell and home sub 13, Matty James, for a joint lecture before restarting with a home FK, according to his signal, for a push. The other couple of noteworthy incidents for me were when Norton was harshly penalised twice in quick succession. The first saw him harrying Knowles who, in perhaps his only significant misjudgement of the afternoon, elected to try to hook a clearance rather than concede a throw-in. Knowles' clearance was charged down by Norton who would have been one-on-one with the keeper had Mr Brooks not intervened with a whistle. My concern here is that the incident happened within 15 yards of the assistant who showed no inclination to flag for any infringement. Brooks was perhaps 25 yards distant and unlike his assistant had an angle from behind Norton to make his assessment. Brooks signalled clearly for a handball offence by Norton. Not for me. A minute or so later Norton and Knowles came together again, just inside the BPA half, with both ending up on the turf. This confrontation occurred off the ball and my instincts suggested that Knowles simply stepped across Norton to prevent him breaking into space. Brooks thought otherwise awarding the free-kick to the home side. Norton was extremely disappointed with that decision, particularly so soon after the handball award against him. Mr Brooks talked things through with Norton and then made a big play of pointing at several points around the pitch as if providing a warning about some sort of totting up towards a PI caution. If it was a warning that a PI booking was imminent it certainly was not a final one as Norton was penalised at least 2 more times before the end of extra time with no PI YC resulting. Mr Brooks appears to be a young man. I'm sure I've seen him work before but cannot recall my impressions from any earlier matches. Clearly he's well thought of to be awarded such a plum appointment. On this showing I don't think that he's justified his selection. I don't know if the occasion got to him but he never really looked at ease to me. His demeanour seemed to betray an underlying tension and his performance bore that out. For me he found too many fouls for incidental contacts that were soft in the extreme but then seemed unduly lenient on the few occasions when some really quite naughty, potentially dangerous stuff was going on. After the chequered build up to the match regarding ticketing and the moving of the date I'm pleased to report that I saw nothing of note off of the pitch. That'll be 8 visits to the Horsfall for FC United still without any 'real' trouble. I'm sure the 'powers that be' who so crassly screwed around with the match arrangements will all be at home patting themselves on the back for a job well done. :poo: Good luck to BPA in the Conference North next season. Just like most recent graduates from the NPL into step 2 I'm sure they'll more than hold their own up there. We'll have to dust ourselves down and go again in NPL Prem........5th time's the charm perhaps? |
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| bmb | May 7, 2012, 6:59 pm Post #298 |
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MAY 2012 07 MON 15:00 Poole Town FC (First Team) v Gosport Borough FC (First Team) Southern League - Play Offs Referee: Parker, Andrew Assistant Referee: Lengthorn, Jeff Assistant Referee: Crowhurst, Leigh Fourth Official: Lennard, Harry Went to this one today. Not sure which AR was which but one of them looks about 7! I was stood behind him. Overall the match officials did well. Ref had a decent game but needs to get a grip on dissent. Gosports number 8 was in his face constantly and the young kid with the yellow flag who was in front of me. Ref allowed himself to be influenced by their number 8, who was nothing but a cheating thug, several times! I think he's used to being the biggest player on the pitch and was a good 6 inches shorter than Poole's captain who is an utter beast & didn't like it so behaved like a whiney brat the whole game! Every time the ball came anywhere near, he threw himself to the floor yelling ref, ref, ref and if the ref didn't give it then he jumped up and ran at the lino yelling at him instead. Should have been booked within the first 30 mins tops. Disgusting behaviour from him, which continued the whole 120 mins. The kid with the yellow flag let his ref down a couple of times, not up with play, missed a clear offside for the Gosport equaliser and allowed himself to be bullied and intimidated into making decisions, particularly once Claridge was on the pitch. His intimidation of the kid was appalling from a so called ex pro player. His flag seemed to only go up when at least 3 players screamed at him. Had the rabbit caught in headlights look and looked very inexperienced as opposed to poor. He didn't look confident from the initial whistle, crowd & players picked up on that and were on his back from the get go & he never really settled into the game properly. I did applaud him when he refused to be intimidated once quite near the end & called out well done lino, you make the calls not the crowd. Felt sorry for him as he was taking a lot of stick & it affected him. Poole Town are a harsh crowd! In respect of Mr Parker, who also looked like a little boy, apart from the offside for Gosports equaliser he did get the majority of decisions right. It was not nice seeing Gosports number 8 screaming in his face so often & a couple of other players did the same, from both teams. He needed to look more confident than he did, even if he didn't feel it. Positioning, signalling & overall knowledge/application of the laws was overall decent. Strange positioning at goal kicks where he stood on the halfway line but off of the pitch & a couple of times was stood right next to the AR which seemed strange. Didn't cause any probs as the ball was kicked more that way each time but had the goalie kicked it out dug out side instead he would have found himself on the opposite side of the pitch hence why I thought it strange. Got the makings of a decent ref in him if he can learn to look more confident at the start & to cut the dissent out early in the game. Looks to me like as he builds confidence & gains experience he will get better, he seems to have it in him. He didn't have a bad game, dissent aside. Well done to Gosport who won 3-1. |
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| mooney | May 7, 2012, 7:06 pm Post #299 |
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You said the poole crowd harsh,I did pre warn you :nut: |
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| JAH_LFA | May 7, 2012, 7:08 pm Post #300 |
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Leigh is the younger AR. |
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