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Wales v Scotland
Topic Started: Saturday, 13. February 2010, 20:00 (1,180 Views)
Whistleblower
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Can someone tell me why, when the score was 24 : 24 and the clock was red with the 80 minutes up and the ball was dead, did the referee allow Scotland to kick off and begin a new phase of play. Answers gratefully received.
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The important thing is when the restart was awarded, not when it takes place. So even though they took it after 80 minutes, it had already been 'awarded'. This is to stop teams timewasting. The only exception is a lineout, when it is when the lineout is formed which is important.
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Not an expert on rugby refereeing but thought he had a poor game compared to how Wayne Barnes was in Paris.
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Agreed umpy, a rugby refereeing forum I post on has branded that as the worst performance they'd seen for a few years.

Clancy has never impressed me, Fitzgibbon and David Keane are both better developing young refs from Ireland IMO.
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Thanks babyref. You have explained it perfectly. I bet your pre-match instructions are clear and very understandable.

I like watching rugby union but have absolutely no idea how the game is refereed effectively. However, because the referees are miked up, one does get a very good sense at the style and management side of an official's performance and I too thought Clancy to be extremely poor in that department. Very little presence or imposing his authority. I simply could not comment on his technical ability as I don't understand enough about it. Wayne Barnes , on the other hand, always seems to be in effortless control, a sign of a good official whatever the sport. Just about the best style of officiating I've ever seen in a R U referee was Ken McCartney, a Scottish referee of several years ago and David Burnett of Ireland was also excellent.
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Thanks Whistleblower, at my level I very rarely have anyone to give a pre-match to!

Wayne Barnes is excellent, a ref of any sport would learn a lot by watching him. Alain Rolland is also very clear in his communication.
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Well if you did, I'm sure they would be.....and one day ...... ! ! !
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Must agree with a lot of what has been said.
Its interesting though - I too thought Wayne Barnes had a cracking game overall and was always well in charge - it took him about 10mins to award the first penalty if I recall - and yet one paper said he reffed the forwards poorly and never got to grips. Same with the Frenchman Christophe Berdos in the England v Italy game, thought he had a good game (and even Brian Moore was agreeing at one stage) and yet there were similar comments in some of the press regarding his failure to deal with forward infringements.
I also thought Clancy was poor and he has never impressed me either. Shame really as Ireland has a long line of quality refs - recent names such as John West in the 70s, Stephen Hilditch and Dave Burnett from the 80s and 90s and David McHugh, who retired recently; I recall Mc Hugh giving Martin John son a real ticking off in the Heineken Final - something on the lines of "Thanks for you opinion, now you get on with playing and I'll get on with refereeng" to which Johnson's reply was "ok sir"!
My own favourite from the 80s was Owen Doyle - rather portly with greying hair - who seemed to effortlessly waltz through a game without fuss or hystrionics whilst at the same time in full charge and being shown full respect by the players. I think he is now Ireland's Referee Officer.
What about some other names from the past -
England - Johnny Johnson, Roger Quittenton, Alan Welsby, Fred Howard, Ed Morrison
Scotland - Allan Hosie (very much the Owen Doyle style), Norman Sansom
Wales - Les Peard, Clayton Thomas, Clive Norling (the Poll of rugby, bit of a showman), Derek Bevan
France - George Domercq, Francis Palmade, Rene Hourquet, Jean-Pierre Bonnet

Ah, names from the past; could go on ..................
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Dommer OFK
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Ed Morrison - now works closely with the Worcester Warriors - missed his last "Evening With..." at the club - must make the next one.

Other honourable mentions through the years: Jim Fleming (Scotland), Paddy O'Brien (NZ), Steve Lander (Eng - if only for the Neil Back incident in the Pilkington Cup Final), Brian Campsall, Nigel Whitehouse, Alan Lewis
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