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| Leave it to VAR: World Cup Assistant Referees told not to flag for tight offsides | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 21:09 (980 Views) | |
| Dommer OFK | Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 21:09 Post #1 |
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So a few things out of this announcement: 1. Define “tight decision” 2. If this is going to happen - then what is going to be the point of Assistant Referees actually being there? 3. The nonsense about the VAR having to sit there wearing a full kit. I fully expect that to include wristbands and their Radios, HRM and GDS watch then Unwanted gimmicks where not required methinks - this has all the hallmarks of utter carnage... Edited by Dommer OFK, Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 21:10.
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| rustyref | Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 21:40 Post #2 |
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They are only talking about very tight decisions. I've been on senior games where offside decisions have been so tight I really haven't been sure and have had to effectively guess, they are the ones they don't want the flag raising as an incorrect flag would see play stopped straight away and a potential goal denied. I'm sure the same instruction was given to SG1 assistants during the VAR trials this season. |
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| readingfan | Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 21:43 Post #3 |
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A VAR wearing a refereeing kit is neither here or there really and won't define its success in any way. If that's the code the organisation want their employees to follow then fine. The rest of it isn't really anything new - common sense suggests that it is best to try and avoid preventing a promising opportunity by implementing a decision that technology can then very quickly prove to be correct. |
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| AJB95 | Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 22:29 Post #4 |
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This is making assistants do something which they have not been doing since they first picked up a flag. Their main job is to flag for offsides, no matter how tight or close the decision is. The fact they get 99% of decisions correct is staggering in itself! Linesman are now going to be paid to not make decisions and are going to be scared of making in case it’s wrong in var, instead of reassuring them to carry on doing what they have always done! Muddy waters, a long slippery slope I tell you! As dommer says, what will be the purpose of assistants if their main job is taken from them and forced into var? |
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| readingfan | Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 22:34 Post #5 |
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Not as muddy as introducing video technology but being forced to disallow goals because referees have stopped the game prematurely when a player was actually a yard onside. This has been part of the VAR protocol since the beginning really - the assistant is either advised to delay their flag or the referee is advised to delay their whistle. |
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| rustyref | Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 22:34 Post #6 |
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How many SG1 ARs didn't flag offsides in VAR trial games this season? Very few, if any, that I can think of and they were given the same advice. What would you rather see? Assistant goes with instinct and flags which leads to goal or goal scoring chance denied, or he holds the flag and if a goal is scored they can use VAR. |
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| nemesis | Thursday, 14. June 2018, 10:09 Post #7 |
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The latter for sure. However, I really don't want to see too many decisions by anyone made on the basis of instinct. Sounds like a bit of a euphemism for guessing. ;-) |
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| tubby | Monday, 18. June 2018, 07:44 Post #8 |
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I have been against VAR from the beginning but this is nonsense. The AR does not flag a player who is offside and goes on where the ball then goes for a corner from which a goal is scored. My understanding is that the offside decision would not be reviewed as a goal did not come as a result of the offside. How can that be good for the game? |
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| kelxref | Monday, 18. June 2018, 10:03 Post #9 |
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I do not think this is the intention or the way it is working in the WC. The AV just delays the flag if there is some doubt but will raise it if no goal is the immediate result. So to take your example, if the ball goes for a corner, the offside flag would be raised and an IDFK given. |
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| kelxref | Monday, 18. June 2018, 10:04 Post #10 |
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I also meant to say....this assumes that the AV would have given offside in the first place. |
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