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VAR in Serie A
Topic Started: Monday, 11. June 2018, 16:49 (593 Views)
jad
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For those who read Italian a detailed report (with copious statistics) on how VAR has worked in Serie A this season can be found here:

http://www.aia-figc.it/dettaglio.asp?ID=15239
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Thanks Jad - how do you feel it worked? You'll have more experience with it than most of us on here. An informed opinion always helps - stats can be interpreted pretty much how anyone wants them to be!
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From what serie A games I've seen this season (or last) i would say it has been kamikaze. But certainly better than how it has gone in Germany where it has been a shambles!
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AJB95
Monday, 11. June 2018, 17:15
But certainly better than how it has gone in Germany where it has been a shambles!
You have said that very politely.
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 17:15
From what serie A games I've seen this season (or last) i would say it has been kamikaze. But certainly better than how it has gone in Germany where it has been a shambles!
I've heard it described as a nightmare in the MLS - seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging & not a complimentary one!

Article on the BBC says it's increased accuracy from 93% to 98.8% in a study across 1000 games, which is actually pretty impressive.
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 17:19
I've heard it described as a nightmare in the MLS - seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging & not a complimentary one!

Article on the BBC says it's increased accuracy from 93% to 98.8% in a study across 1000 games, which is actually pretty impressive.
There's an argument to say it should be 100% with VAR.
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 20:44
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 17:19
I've heard it described as a nightmare in the MLS - seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging & not a complimentary one!

Article on the BBC says it's increased accuracy from 93% to 98.8% in a study across 1000 games, which is actually pretty impressive.
There's an argument to say it should be 100% with VAR.
I don't think that 100% accuracy is ever going to be a realistic expectation - and presumably this includes this percentage includes the decisions which do not fall under the VAR remit (e.g. second yellow cards).
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 20:55
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 20:44
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 17:19
I've heard it described as a nightmare in the MLS - seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging & not a complimentary one!

Article on the BBC says it's increased accuracy from 93% to 98.8% in a study across 1000 games, which is actually pretty impressive.
There's an argument to say it should be 100% with VAR.
I don't think that 100% accuracy is ever going to be a realistic expectation - and presumably this includes this percentage includes the decisions which do not fall under the VAR remit (e.g. second yellow cards).
I'm sure it does.
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 16:59
Thanks Jad - how do you feel it worked? You'll have more experience with it than most of us on here. An informed opinion always helps - stats can be interpreted pretty much how anyone wants them to be!
Well, I don't have that much experience, since I only get to see the scraps shown on free-to-air television, but I have followed the discussions in the media. I have serious reservations about the whole thing, but the distinct impression I get is that VAR is perceived to have worked pretty well on the whole. In particular:
There have been very few (if any) problems with the technology;
The delays while decisions are reviewed seem to have been kept within acceptable bounds, increasingly so as the season has gone on.
For what it's worth, I reckon both these aspects have been favoured by the fact that the facilities and the officials are present at the individual grounds and not at some central location. I am not confident that things will go quite so well during the World Cup.
There has been remarkably little controversy relating to decisions reached after the use of VAR; the only one I remember involved hand ball in the penalty area. There have been rather more complaints relating to cases where VAR for one or another hasn't been used (or, at any rate, has not been seen to be used).
In one respect the Italians may have been lucky: there seem to have been very few of those incidents that spark off lengthy discussions on this forum, i.e. where viewing from several angles and at different speeds leaves you more confused than you were to start with.
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 22:38
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 20:55
rustyref
Monday, 11. June 2018, 20:44
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 17:19
I've heard it described as a nightmare in the MLS - seems to be a bit of a pattern emerging & not a complimentary one!

Article on the BBC says it's increased accuracy from 93% to 98.8% in a study across 1000 games, which is actually pretty impressive.
There's an argument to say it should be 100% with VAR.
I don't think that 100% accuracy is ever going to be a realistic expectation - and presumably this includes this percentage includes the decisions which do not fall under the VAR remit (e.g. second yellow cards).
I'm sure it does.
Ah, I thought it means 98% of decisions made by VAR, not all decisions. I stand corrected ...
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jad
Tuesday, 12. June 2018, 16:29
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Monday, 11. June 2018, 16:59
Thanks Jad - how do you feel it worked? You'll have more experience with it than most of us on here. An informed opinion always helps - stats can be interpreted pretty much how anyone wants them to be!
Well, I don't have that much experience, since I only get to see the scraps shown on free-to-air television, but I have followed the discussions in the media. I have serious reservations about the whole thing, but the distinct impression I get is that VAR is perceived to have worked pretty well on the whole. In particular:
There have been very few (if any) problems with the technology;
The delays while decisions are reviewed seem to have been kept within acceptable bounds, increasingly so as the season has gone on.
For what it's worth, I reckon both these aspects have been favoured by the fact that the facilities and the officials are present at the individual grounds and not at some central location. I am not confident that things will go quite so well during the World Cup.
There has been remarkably little controversy relating to decisions reached after the use of VAR; the only one I remember involved hand ball in the penalty area. There have been rather more complaints relating to cases where VAR for one or another hasn't been used (or, at any rate, has not been seen to be used).
In one respect the Italians may have been lucky: there seem to have been very few of those incidents that spark off lengthy discussions on this forum, i.e. where viewing from several angles and at different speeds leaves you more confused than you were to start with.
Thanks.

Interesting that the bigger complaints have been where it's not been used. I remember reading comments on here regarding how commentators/pundits were coming out with 'if only we'd had VAR in this game...What do we think the VAR would have done...' etc. There seems to be almost an obsessiveness about what could have been different than decisions already made, not only here in the UK but elsewhere. Strange!
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It is strange, but I think there are two factors involved. The first is that the culture (?) of football punditry does admit ambiguity or the expression of doubt, while the second is a touchingly naive belief in the infallibility of machines (obviously these people have never used a computer in their lives!). Yet we are now being told that in cricket the on-screen images can in certain cases not only fail to resolve ambiguities, but be positively misleading.
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