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Monday, 9. April 2018, 22:16
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The views of Steve Evans according to the Peterborough Telegraph:
It’s a penalty, there’s no disputing that. He sends my right-back off and says it’s an elbow, but from the video evidence I’ve just watched we will appeal - it’s a shambolic decision. The tackle on the boy Ness on George Cooper - he’s already on a yellow. Perhaps it’s a straight red. If you give him the benefit it’s a second yellow. He’s a buckler for me. I’m not questioning his integrity and his honesty but he’s produced a diabolical performance in such a big game for both clubs. We didn’t get beat by Plymouth, we got beaten by a horrendous referee. Let’s look at why Ness is on the park and Ryan Taylor, who elbows a player. Players are honest. I’ve spoken to two or three Plymouth boys as I’m walking off and they don’t know why Ness is on the pitch or Ryan Taylor. There’s defining moments. Liam Shephard’s is never a red card. If Steven Taylor has said something inappropriate the referee has the right to take whatever action he takes. But these are not fine line decisions. He’s cost us a good point. He should not be in League One. He’s had seven or eight games in League One and when you check his stats - and all managers check them - probably none in an atmosphere like today, probably not with the value of the game there is today, and he buckled it.
That should be a rest from the technical area coming his way, and a rest for the appointed 4th officials ..!
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Tuesday, 10. April 2018, 16:55
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Craig Hicks at Plymouth appears to have had a shocker. If this is the standard then comments about poor standards in EFL may be justified however hard I try to support referees.
Think you need to expand on why you say that. From the highlights, the fact that Mr Hicks didn't blow up immediately for the :red: incident suggests input from one of his colleagues. The footage isn't of great help, the player sent off doesn't appear to be looking at the player who goes down. Penalty decision seemed soft, looked like two players going for the ball, one stronger than the other. The second yellow was for either doing something to the penalty spot or remark made to the referee, again unclear from the footage. Some charactertically abusive remarks from the odious Steve Evans post-match. I don't know whether there was any merit in the complaints he had about Plymouth players escaping sanction for bad tackles, but expect the FA to come knocking about his comments re the referee. Maybe our resident Plymouth/Peterborough posters on here could add more? Only just caught up with this one after being away.
I agree TV highlights are not conclusive on the sending off, but the red card seemed harsh based on what we did see, which was in my view a collision between two players.
I think Hicks was spot on with the late penalty award, the player's eyes being on the opponent not the ball as he charged in. A brave award in the circumstances.
I cannot really comment on whether Hicks had a shocker or what Evans may or may not have said.
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Tuesday, 10. April 2018, 20:06
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Red card overturned on appeal I await to see if any action will be taken regarding the Plymouth players role
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Tuesday, 10. April 2018, 22:18
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Red card overturned on appeal I await to see if any action will be taken regarding the Plymouth players role It should be, Edited out by bmb
Surprised our Plymouth friends haven't commented yet.
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Tuesday, 10. April 2018, 23:47
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Red card overturned on appeal I await to see if any action will be taken regarding the Plymouth players role
It should be, Edited out by bmbSurprised our Plymouth friends haven't commented yet. Whilst I totally agree that a red was the wrong decision to use the word Edited out by bmb when as this clip shows a foul was committed is in my opinion not substantiated and in fact just an inflammatory comment . I am of course biased on this matter so will allow others to view this and come to their own view .
I will point out that the Peterborough player was already cautioned in the 54th minute so had this been deemed a second yellow he would still have been dismissed albeit with a lesser sanction .
https://twitter.com/markatkin001/status/983393672258572288?s=21
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 04:09
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From that angle, it seems like the Peterborough player was more aware of the opponent than the highlights camera suggested. However, I’m not convinced there was enough force in the contact for the Plymouth player to have been laid flat out by it.
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 07:24
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Red card overturned on appeal I await to see if any action will be taken regarding the Plymouth players role
It should be, Edited out by bmbSurprised our Plymouth friends haven't commented yet.
Whilst I totally agree that a red was the wrong decision to use the word Edited out by bmb when as this clip shows a foul was committed is in my opinion not substantiated and in fact just an inflammatory comment . I am of course biased on this matter so will allow others to view this and come to their own view . I will point out that the Peterborough player was already cautioned in the 54th minute so had this been deemed a second yellow he would still have been dismissed albeit with a lesser sanction . https://twitter.com/markatkin001/status/983393672258572288?s=21 Why has my last post been removed?
I suppose it depends on what team one of the moderators supports.
How about editing the post where someone has suggested Guardiola was sent to the stand because of a Spain/Catalonia issue, as that’s a far worse implication than opining a player was trying to deceive the officials. I’d actually says that’s quite racist if we want to go down such literal routes.
As for that clip, it shows it was a foul, but not one that justified Carey’s reaction.
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 07:28
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Red card overturned on appeal I await to see if any action will be taken regarding the Plymouth players role
It should be, Edited out by bmbSurprised our Plymouth friends haven't commented yet.
Whilst I totally agree that a red was the wrong decision to use the word Edited out by bmb when as this clip shows a foul was committed is in my opinion not substantiated and in fact just an inflammatory comment . I am of course biased on this matter so will allow others to view this and come to their own view . I will point out that the Peterborough player was already cautioned in the 54th minute so had this been deemed a second yellow he would still have been dismissed albeit with a lesser sanction . https://twitter.com/markatkin001/status/983393672258572288?s=21
Why has my last post been removed? I suppose it depends on what team one of the moderators supports. How about editing the post where someone has suggested Guardiola was sent to the stand because of a Spain/Catalonia issue, as that’s a far worse implication than opining a player was trying to deceive the officials. I’d actually says that’s quite racist if we want to go down such literal routes. Your post was removed for calling an admin decision pathetic , nothing more nothing less , if you wish to question her decision please do so by pm NOT on the board , many thanks for your cooperation .
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 07:30
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Red card overturned on appeal I await to see if any action will be taken regarding the Plymouth players role
It should be, Edited out by bmbSurprised our Plymouth friends haven't commented yet.
Whilst I totally agree that a red was the wrong decision to use the word Edited out by bmb when as this clip shows a foul was committed is in my opinion not substantiated and in fact just an inflammatory comment . I am of course biased on this matter so will allow others to view this and come to their own view . I will point out that the Peterborough player was already cautioned in the 54th minute so had this been deemed a second yellow he would still have been dismissed albeit with a lesser sanction . https://twitter.com/markatkin001/status/983393672258572288?s=21
Why has my last post been removed? I suppose it depends on what team one of the moderators supports. How about editing the post where someone has suggested Guardiola was sent to the stand because of a Spain/Catalonia issue, as that’s a far worse implication than opining a player was trying to deceive the officials. I’d actually says that’s quite racist if we want to go down such literal routes.
Your post was removed for calling an admin decision pathetic , nothing more nothing less , if you wish to question her decision please do so by pm NOT on the board , many thanks for your cooperation . By the same token, it would be polite to explain such a decision in public or by PM, rather than just removing or editing it. You can’t have it both ways.
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 07:36
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Red card overturned on appeal I await to see if any action will be taken regarding the Plymouth players role
It should be, Edited out by bmbSurprised our Plymouth friends haven't commented yet.
Whilst I totally agree that a red was the wrong decision to use the word Edited out by bmb when as this clip shows a foul was committed is in my opinion not substantiated and in fact just an inflammatory comment . I am of course biased on this matter so will allow others to view this and come to their own view . I will point out that the Peterborough player was already cautioned in the 54th minute so had this been deemed a second yellow he would still have been dismissed albeit with a lesser sanction . https://twitter.com/markatkin001/status/983393672258572288?s=21
Why has my last post been removed? I suppose it depends on what team one of the moderators supports. How about editing the post where someone has suggested Guardiola was sent to the stand because of a Spain/Catalonia issue, as that’s a far worse implication than opining a player was trying to deceive the officials. I’d actually says that’s quite racist if we want to go down such literal routes.
Your post was removed for calling an admin decision pathetic , nothing more nothing less , if you wish to question her decision please do so by pm NOT on the board , many thanks for your cooperation .
By the same token, it would be polite to explain such a decision in public or by PM, rather than just removing or editing it. You can’t have it both ways. The word used is a banned word on this forum in any context whether used toward player or official , from now on the system will edit out automatically that word without need for admin or mod . Everybody is being treated equally . I hope that helps , any further questions please pm admin . Many thanks
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 08:12
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The view in Peterborough was that Mr Hicks was too inexperienced for the game and was unduly influenced by the largest crowd he has ever officiated before
I know, like me, you are slightly biased, but what is yourr view?
Definitely a penalty by the way but I feel the second red card was down to frustration as well as stupidity
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 08:29
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The view in Peterborough was that Mr Hicks was too inexperienced for the game and was unduly influenced by the largest crowd he has ever officiated before
I know, like me, you are slightly biased, but what is yourr view?
Definitely a penalty by the way but I feel the second red card was down to frustration as well as stupidity My view was the same , it is the second time I have seen him the first was impressive , this time the game the occasion and the crowd was too big for him , he is a good prospect who I think became overawed by the occasion , the red in question here was rightly overturned although I do think it was a yellow offence but that is just opinion . The pen was a stupid challenge , the red at the pen was for scuffing the pen spot which was just a stupid thing for a player on a yellow to do . We all thought Mr hicks was poor and that his big calls were influenced by a vociferous home crowd , but that's what home crowds do everywhere and its up to referees to be stronger . Unfortunately on this occasion he wasn't strong enough but I bet in his next tough match he will have learned a few lessons .
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 10:04
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I agree fully with these views (skydank and plym_Nick). It was not that long ago on RTR that we were commenting on Craig being a good prospect. There were three questionable decisions seen on TV, two of which (imo) he got right. OK the third has been overturned on appeal but that is not the first occasion that this has happened and it certainly won't be the last. I can't comment on whether he had a 'shocker' (as suggested), but whilst he may have been overawed by the occasion, I don't think one wrong decision (? made with assistance?) should be taken as indicative of his overall performance. I agree that Craig will learn lessons as a result of this game and I hope to hear good things about a fellow Surrey referee in the future.
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 10:17
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Red card overturned on appeal I await to see if any action will be taken regarding the Plymouth players role
It should be, Edited out by bmbSurprised our Plymouth friends haven't commented yet.
Whilst I totally agree that a red was the wrong decision to use the word Edited out by bmb when as this clip shows a foul was committed is in my opinion not substantiated and in fact just an inflammatory comment . I am of course biased on this matter so will allow others to view this and come to their own view . I will point out that the Peterborough player was already cautioned in the 54th minute so had this been deemed a second yellow he would still have been dismissed albeit with a lesser sanction . https://twitter.com/markatkin001/status/983393672258572288?s=21
Why has my last post been removed? I suppose it depends on what team one of the moderators supports. How about editing the post where someone has suggested Guardiola was sent to the stand because of a Spain/Catalonia issue, as that’s a far worse implication than opining a player was trying to deceive the officials. I’d actually says that’s quite racist if we want to go down such literal routes.
Your post was removed for calling an admin decision pathetic , nothing more nothing less , if you wish to question her decision please do so by pm NOT on the board , many thanks for your cooperation .
By the same token, it would be polite to explain such a decision in public or by PM, rather than just removing or editing it. You can’t have it both ways.
The word used is a banned word on this forum in any context whether used toward player or official , from now on the system will edit out automatically that word without need for admin or mod . Everybody is being treated equally . I hope that helps , any further questions please pm admin . Many thanks No problem. Let’s have the courtesy of the PM facility being reciprocated in future though.
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 14:12
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The view in Peterborough was that Mr Hicks was too inexperienced for the game and was unduly influenced by the largest crowd he has ever officiated before
I know, like me, you are slightly biased, but what is yourr view?
Definitely a penalty by the way but I feel the second red card was down to frustration as well as stupidity
My view was the same , it is the second time I have seen him the first was impressive , this time the game the occasion and the crowd was too big for him , he is a good prospect who I think became overawed by the occasion , the red in question here was rightly overturned although I do think it was a yellow offence but that is just opinion . The pen was a stupid challenge , the red at the pen was for scuffing the pen spot which was just a stupid thing for a player on a yellow to do . We all thought Mr hicks was poor and that his big calls were influenced by a vociferous home crowd , but that's what home crowds do everywhere and its up to referees to be stronger . Unfortunately on this occasion he wasn't strong enough but I bet in his next tough match he will have learned a few lessons . Thanks Nick,
Lets hope for a more experienced official in the play-offs!
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 15:53
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Plymouth Nick
The view in Peterborough was that Mr Hicks was too inexperienced for the game and was unduly influenced by the largest crowd he has ever officiated before
I know, like me, you are slightly biased, but what is yourr view?
Definitely a penalty by the way but I feel the second red card was down to frustration as well as stupidity
My view was the same , it is the second time I have seen him the first was impressive , this time the game the occasion and the crowd was too big for him , he is a good prospect who I think became overawed by the occasion , the red in question here was rightly overturned although I do think it was a yellow offence but that is just opinion . The pen was a stupid challenge , the red at the pen was for scuffing the pen spot which was just a stupid thing for a player on a yellow to do . We all thought Mr hicks was poor and that his big calls were influenced by a vociferous home crowd , but that's what home crowds do everywhere and its up to referees to be stronger . Unfortunately on this occasion he wasn't strong enough but I bet in his next tough match he will have learned a few lessons .
Thanks Nick, Lets hope for a more experienced official in the play-offs! Kettle?!
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Wednesday, 11. April 2018, 16:48
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The view in Peterborough was that Mr Hicks was too inexperienced for the game and was unduly influenced by the largest crowd he has ever officiated before
I know, like me, you are slightly biased, but what is yourr view?
Definitely a penalty by the way but I feel the second red card was down to frustration as well as stupidity
My view was the same , it is the second time I have seen him the first was impressive , this time the game the occasion and the crowd was too big for him , he is a good prospect who I think became overawed by the occasion , the red in question here was rightly overturned although I do think it was a yellow offence but that is just opinion . The pen was a stupid challenge , the red at the pen was for scuffing the pen spot which was just a stupid thing for a player on a yellow to do . We all thought Mr hicks was poor and that his big calls were influenced by a vociferous home crowd , but that's what home crowds do everywhere and its up to referees to be stronger . Unfortunately on this occasion he wasn't strong enough but I bet in his next tough match he will have learned a few lessons .
Thanks Nick, Lets hope for a more experienced official in the play-offs!
Kettle?! That would probably finish Mr. Evans off!
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Lol you both might say that tongue in cheek but mr kettle would likely have controlled Saturday's game with ease , it's his niche managers like Evans and players who can't behave , might have seen both sides down a player or two but in no way would he have bottled. Anything .
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DOes anyone know if Andy Haines is still on the game tonight after coming off his weekend game?
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DOes anyone know if Andy Haines is still on the game tonight after coming off his weekend game? No, it was Darren England.
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The saga of the red card during the Plymouth Peterborough match has taken another twist if the Peterborough paper is to be believed
Apparently Plymouth sent additional video footage of the incident to the appeals committee and have asked for an explanation of why the decision was overturned.
Just seems a strange event all around now. If a player was seriously injured I can understand the need for justice, just not sure why teams both can't just let it rest
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The saga of the red card during the Plymouth Peterborough match has taken another twist if the Peterborough paper is to be believed
Apparently Plymouth sent additional video footage of the incident to the appeals committee and have asked for an explanation of why the decision was overturned.
Just seems a strange event all around now. If a player was seriously injured I can understand the need for justice, just not sure why teams both can't just let it rest I read that Plymouth sent "a letter".
Surely the FA deal in online correspondence these days.
Wonder if they mentioned Carey's antics?
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Can't understand the hullabaloo about Mr Hicks' performance, as described there was only one decision incorrect and he awarded that on advice?
Evans is an idiot and embarrassment for whichever team he manages, but especially now! We had the joy of experiencing his histrionic behaviour on Easter Monday where he received a very stern warning from the official but escaped sanction. He is a 55 year old walking heart attack...
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Can't understand the hullabaloo about Mr Hicks' performance, as described there was only one decision incorrect and he awarded that on advice?
Evans is an idiot and embarrassment for whichever team he manages, but especially now! We had the joy of experiencing his histrionic behaviour on Easter Monday where he received a very stern warning from the official but escaped sanction. He is a 55 year old walking heart attack... Can’t wait to see him in action tomorrow.
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