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racelands, ouch my back
Topic Started: Jul 29 2011, 06:28 PM (2,084 Views)
tuk14s
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HA! I sold my set of fk aks which are close to $600 new for $400 or something to passgt because hes a buddy and they have 800 kms on them.

I've noticed you offering a lot of guys beer for parts. What you have to realize is that shit costs money to buy and to sell and get offered beer is a slap in the face more then anything. I'm not a street rat, I can buy my own beer thanks.

Whether you like me or not man you have to re-evaluate the way you think about used VW parts. You have a better chance on parting cars and turning a profit then you do actually selling them as a whole. Which in turn makes parts more valuable then an actual car.

You have to be willing to through down money one way or another. Sure you can save a dollar or two here and there over used parts and there are some great deals out there but eventually there is going to be something that you will have to pay full price on.

Aside from that why would you waste money on used suspension when you can get a not great but set of adjustable set of coils for $300 bucks.

I don't mean to pick you out but there are tons of great options for suspension, you won't find a used set of coils for under $500 dollars worth actually buying and thats the truth.

Buy the racelands and see how you like them, if they turn out to be horrible, well you kinda knew that before buying them. If your just not sure if its worth spending the $300 and you assume you can still get a set for beer money, well good luck on your travels.

My suggestion is pay the $300 bones and go low and drive it till you hate it. Your wife won't ride with you and your kids will giggle and think your cars broken haha but hell its probably your first set of coilovers.

Mine were fk/aks and that was the first and last time I went cheap on suspension.

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BkoolB3
Aug 4 2011, 10:32 AM
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Aug 4 2011, 08:11 AM
Obviously nothing's free in this world doesn't apply in his world, but seriously you can't get a better deal then 300 and know one is going to sell quality suspension for less then 600 with a good amount of km on them. Sorry billy this isn't the okvw salvation army were you get a parts hamper once a month. Lol
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So true Jay, LOL. It wasn't that long ago when a basic shitty set of Neuspeed Sport springs that barely lowered the car were around $500, same springs from the same manufacturer except marketed under "Bugpack" went for $300. Complete adjustable coilovers for $300 not reasonable? I guess I'd agree with that: it's not reasonably cheap, it's ridiculously cheap

Anyway, back on point: I like the look of the OP's Jetta with the RM's, I'm hazarding a guess that the "bone jarring" feel is probably the CV shafts slamming up against the body/frame, had that same problem with another mk1. I'm thinking about notching my cabby once I get my new wheels sorted out/finished building.
yes your right, after pulling the wheels after a couple runs i see that there is contact between the cv and frame so i'll be notching the frame as soon as i can and then dealing with the front end geometry later. the cv's are toast anyways so i'll replace them after the notching. All that aside i'd honestly cry if i had to run these on my daily, but thank god thats not the case
Edited by redjetta91, Aug 4 2011, 07:44 PM.
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I've polled a few friends in Van & in Seattle that are/have run Racelands & to be honest, a lot them were pretty suprised considering the low price. I'm running an ST set up that I paid $1200 a few years ago & from what I've been told the Racelands just tend to be a bit more bouncy than the ST, but that's about it (at least in a MK1). Matt, notch out your frame, my thinking is that you might be suprised too.
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tuk14s
Aug 4 2011, 05:02 PM
HA! I sold my set of fk aks which are close to $600 new for $400 or something to passgt because hes a buddy and they have 800 kms on them.

I've noticed you offering a lot of guys beer for parts. What you have to realize is that shit costs money to buy and to sell and get offered beer is a slap in the face more then anything. I'm not a street rat, I can buy my own beer thanks.

Whether you like me or not man you have to re-evaluate the way you think about used VW parts. You have a better chance on parting cars and turning a profit then you do actually selling them as a whole. Which in turn makes parts more valuable then an actual car.

You have to be willing to through down money one way or another. Sure you can save a dollar or two here and there over used parts and there are some great deals out there but eventually there is going to be something that you will have to pay full price on.

Aside from that why would you waste money on used suspension when you can get a not great but set of adjustable set of coils for $300 bucks.

I don't mean to pick you out but there are tons of great options for suspension, you won't find a used set of coils for under $500 dollars worth actually buying and thats the truth.

Buy the racelands and see how you like them, if they turn out to be horrible, well you kinda knew that before buying them. If your just not sure if its worth spending the $300 and you assume you can still get a set for beer money, well good luck on your travels.

My suggestion is pay the $300 bones and go low and drive it till you hate it. Your wife won't ride with you and your kids will giggle and think your cars broken haha but hell its probably your first set of coilovers.

Mine were fk/aks and that was the first and last time I went cheap on suspension.

haha awsome so true,so true. i'll drive these things till they blow that is for sure, but i guess i'll join the should of known club cause my first coils were kw's. And i've wasted the mere $300 on way worse shit than adjustible suspension, like beer.
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Aug 4 2011, 07:56 PM
I've polled a few friends in Van & in Seattle that are/have run Racelands & to be honest, a lot them were pretty suprised considering the low price. I'm running an ST set up that I paid $1200 a few years ago & from what I've been told the Racelands just tend to be a bit more bouncy than the ST, but that's about it (at least in a MK1). Matt, notch out your frame, my thinking is that you might be suprised too.
yes must notch, i'm on it.
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Ive heard more good than bad on these coils on mk1's. Im planning on going very low as Im running 13's

Im getting a tie rod flip-kit, knotching my frame and taking out helper springs
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wich the flip flip kit .. my prof and i were stumped.....does that ball joint flip kit come with a different knuckle? cuz if you flip your tie rod right side up ... it going to be loose in its fit....that tie rod end has a tapered fit to it specific to your knuckle...

the only way around that would be having an coilover that has an adjustable strut to kuckle mounting point.. so you can lengthen the strut itself to help level out the lower control arm and axle
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Aug 5 2011, 07:40 PM
wich the flip flip kit .. my prof and i were stumped.....does that ball joint flip kit come with a different knuckle? cuz if you flip your tie rod right side up ... it going to be loose in its fit....that tie rod end has a tapered fit to it specific to your knuckle...

the only way around that would be having an coilover that has an adjustable strut to kuckle mounting point..so you can lengthen the strut itself to help level out the lower control arm and axle


The "only way", huh?

Maybe you and the "prof" should be more thorough in your research before making an absolute statement like that.

For the non geniuses out there, here's what the rest of the world has been doing for decades.


the bushing approach

spherical rod end

Pretty simple solutions.

The highlighted stuff - you're getting lost in a corn maze.
Moving the driveshaft/control arms downward so they are level is effectively raising the suspension. You are making the strut longer. If you want to correct the LCA geometry on a lowered mk1/mk2, a spacer is installed between the balljoint and the lower knuckle. This does nothing for the driveshaft angle, so it keeps the wheel lowered. PMW sells these also

Threaded strut to knuckle coilovers do exist(tein) but are used solely to correct for small differences(mm) in ride heights that have been altered at each corner of a car after corner balancing. It eliminates having to disturb the crossweights(wedge/reverse wedge) by not adjusting the spring perches.
Large adjustments are impossible because of the close proximity of the CV joint to the bottom of the strut. The tight clearance limits the amount of reserve thread that could potentially protrude from the bottom of the strut, that would be used to thread the knuckle down.







Edited by jrez, Aug 8 2011, 08:19 AM.
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k-sport coilovers have 4 adjustable colars ... 2 to pinch the strut to knuckle sleeve and 2 more for the spring......i do agree the only way was a bold statement...must of had some beer in me .. my bad
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i never stated i was offering beer money for coils.. im just looking for honest opinions not a shit load of sarcasm about chincing out. i have no problem paying for stuff, but who doesnt love a good deal???? if someone had a set of originally expensive coils and were switching out for other coils and were looking to get a good dollar for their "used " coils. well thats what i would be interested in so i could try the "higher end" coils at a reduced price knowing theyre not going to last long and so then when they do blow i know the feel i prefer and know the price for the feel i want. not having been in a lot of vw's obviously i dont know the feel of different suspensions, but that wont come across in a profile on here very well and all i end up getting is a whack of jerk-offs thinking im some beer-offering-for-parts 19 year old. i might have a lack of experience with vw's and cars in general but i have a genuine dub passion and definitely a passion for learning all about them. so obviously these dub websites are not the place i should be searching for honest intelligent information on anything. again...... lesson learned...thanks tuk14s should have known you would be the one to point this out. should have just came straight to you and asked insted of getting all these bullshit posts & replies.
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Aug 10 2011, 09:31 AM
i never stated i was offering beer money for coils.. im just looking for honest opinions not a shit load of sarcasm about chincing out. i have no problem paying for stuff, but who doesnt love a good deal???? if someone had a set of originally expensive coils and were switching out for other coils and were looking to get a good dollar for their "used " coils. well thats what i would be interested in so i could try the "higher end" coils at a reduced price knowing theyre not going to last long and so then when they do blow i know the feel i prefer and know the price for the feel i want. not having been in a lot of vw's obviously i dont know the feel of different suspensions, but that wont come across in a profile on here very well and all i end up getting is a whack of jerk-offs thinking im some beer-offering-for-parts 19 year old. i might have a lack of experience with vw's and cars in general but i have a genuine dub passion and definitely a passion for learning all about them. so obviously these dub websites are not the place i should be searching for honest intelligent information on anything. again...... lesson learned...thanks tuk14s should have known you would be the one to point this out. should have just came straight to you and asked insted of getting all these bullshit posts & replies.
I lol'd
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well at least i can offer some entertainment... made me laugh too
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mk2guy keep your eye's out for a set of used lowering springs. Look for a sport drop if you want a ride that is slightly more tighter then oem but if you want a drop that is more noticeable then the sport get a 60mm drop.
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thanks thats what i had in mind....lower but responsive, not too mushy, but not going to suck for long bumpy drives.....a little bit of the best of both worlds i guess
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Aug 10 2011, 02:12 PM
mk2guy keep your eye's out for a set of used lowering springs. Look for a sport drop if you want a ride that is slightly more tighter then oem but if you want a drop that is more noticeable then the sport get a 60mm drop.
And use with what? His already tired/bagged existing suspension? :(

Mk2guy...in all seriousness & BS aside, just keep an eye out for a used set of Racelands or Vmaxx. Even if you pay $50 for used springs (which is what you should pay, with coilovers being so cheap right now, used lowering springs aren't really worth squat) those used springs are going to cause a whole lotta pain & $$ in the long run due to having to replace blown shocks & struts. Aftermarket lowering springs with oem style suspension is a recipe for instant shitty ride. With full retail for Racelands starting around $259, you should be able to pick up a set for under $200 slightly used, probably closer to the $150 mark.
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