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racelands, ouch my back
Topic Started: Jul 29 2011, 06:28 PM (2,082 Views)
redjetta91
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So after owning all sorts of different suspension setups from eibach to koni's, and kw's, coilovers to cup kits i thought what the hell i know racelands are made in china and they're pretty bouncy but i thought i'd try em outon my A1 jetta, you know for $300 bucks i couldn't go wrong right? HOLY SHIT it's borderline goddam undrivable unless you like making your kidney's into milkshake, all i can do now is start replacing all the bushings,berings and tie rods and shit in the car in hope's it can keep up with the constant banging and jarring that me and the suspension components have to deal with. But all complaining aside racelands really do suck, even thoughthey were less than half the price of the KW's witch were $800. So if you want to slam your car, drive it a short distance, get out and look at it all slammed and shit(witch looks awsome obviously) then buy the racelands but my other car sits on kw's coiled all the way down and it feels amazing, night and day comparison. Any one else have these or have had them, and yes i did know better i just thought is wasn't worth spending more for the suspension than i did the car. glad i now know different thats all. Here are some pics.

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Edited by redjetta91, Jul 29 2011, 06:31 PM.
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nero
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lookin good , get rid of the tint and yer golden!
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I got a set for my.rabbit haven't driven on them.yet though. U have the helper springs in?
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Hey you stole my damn wheels!!!


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Now dye those damn bumpers. :beer:
Edited by lostsurferinbc, Jul 30 2011, 09:30 AM.
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i have VMaxx in my MK2 coupe and all poly bushings and i love them, i also have the Racelands in my MK4 Jetta and i don't find them to be that bouncy........ though my Jetta does weigh 5X that of a MK1, i like them, i don't think i'll ever pay over 500 bux on suspension again
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do you think maybe its bouncy 'cause they are bottoming out?
I don't know what you guys are expecting when you slam a mk1 that low cause the only thing its good for is a photo shoot. The LCA and tie rod geometries are so screwed up when you slam that low that the car is dangerous when driven over anything rougher than new pavement. How do you like bumpsteer? How's the cv joints? I guarantee those are binding at that ride height also.

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This is about a low as a you can get it correctly, but it has been modded since this pic.

Just to throw it out there, the Lower Control arms should be horizontal, or slightly angled upward, and the tie rods horizontal or angled downward. To check your cv's, weight on wheels, loosen the axle/cv nut most of the way. If you can push the cv stub in a 1/4" its ok. If you cant move it start shopping for cv joints.
Trouble with the above info is your car won't look "cool" if you follow it, it will unfortunately drive/handle better.

Edited by jrez, Jul 30 2011, 03:11 PM.
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If you remove the helper springs and cut out the bump stops, the ride shouldn't be as jarring. I really don't think there's a huge safety issue with a lowered car.
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I don't think he is talking about a lowered car. He is talking about slamming it as far as the coils will take it. Lowered if perfectly fine when done right.
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Exactly what im saying.
The big warning bell for me would be that I would even have to consider removing the helpers/cutting the bumpstops further because of bottoming. What's to keep the shock from bottoming out, because even if it was made in china, there was thought given into preventing that(bumpstop lengths/helper springs).
Yes, you can trim bumpstops , but remember by doing that you are making the ride more bouncy when they come into contact, which from the pics looks like most of the time . The factory stops are designed for a progressive rate by length, so when you start cutting them up you also lose the progressive rate and get a more sudden effect/linear rate.
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FWIW, the scirocco in the pic had just under 2" of shock travel before it touched the bumpstop, and look at the ride height. For a race track, it was ok, but it did still hit the stops at one point on the track, so it actually still needed more shock travel. I've increased the shock travel since by 1.5 " through custom camber/caster plates, which also let me lower it 5/8", and I also installed a bumpsteer kit and balljoint spacer so the geometry stays correct. But I might still have to raise it because I lost travel in the cv joint/half shaft. Its just under 1/4' now, and the half shafts are what it limiting me. If I could find 10mm shorter drive shafts, Id be there.
Anyway, as always, it's up to the individual, but having driven cars slammed to that degree I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.
The red jetta with a h&r sportline kit, or similar eibach kit, and sway bars would run circles around the blue one at the track or street, and ride sport factory like, but I really think the main concern for slammers is the cool factor, so forget I said anything, lol.

Happy long weekend, all.

Edited by jrez, Jul 31 2011, 11:36 AM.
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so where can one buy $300 racelands????
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Jul 31 2011, 11:40 AM
so where can one buy $300 racelands????
Link for raceland coilovers
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but that's the great thing about racelands, you can remove and cut them up to achieve the slammed look because they are so cheap and disposable. I'm still not convinced on the whole safety aspect of a slammed ride because usually these types of cars really don't ever see real hard driving (well shouldn't anyway unless you hate your oil pan). That being said, like mentioned before its about form or function which is left up to the owner. I think I fall in the middle personally as I like a little of both, sacrificing a little on both ends, unless cutting fenders start happening then Im not a fan, but each to their own.
Edited by lostsurferinbc, Jul 31 2011, 03:33 PM.
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Jul 30 2011, 08:02 AM
I got a set for my.rabbit haven't driven on them.yet though. U have the helper springs in?
yep the helpers are in
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logik89
Jul 30 2011, 08:02 AM
I got a set for my.rabbit haven't driven on them.yet though. U have the helper springs in?
yep the helpers are in
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Jul 31 2011, 11:05 AM
Exactly what im saying.
The big warning bell for me would be that I would even have to consider removing the helpers/cutting the bumpstops further because of bottoming. What's to keep the shock from bottoming out, because even if it was made in china, there was thought given into preventing that(bumpstop lengths/helper springs).
Yes, you can trim bumpstops , but remember by doing that you are making the ride more bouncy when they come into contact, which from the pics looks like most of the time . The factory stops are designed for a progressive rate by length, so when you start cutting them up you also lose the progressive rate and get a more sudden effect/linear rate.
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FWIW, the scirocco in the pic had just under 2" of shock travel before it touched the bumpstop, and look at the ride height. For a race track, it was ok, but it did still hit the stops at one point on the track, so it actually still needed more shock travel. I've increased the shock travel since by 1.5 " through custom camber/caster plates, which also let me lower it 5/8", and I also installed a bumpsteer kit and balljoint spacer so the geometry stays correct. But I might still have to raise it because I lost travel in the cv joint/half shaft. Its just under 1/4' now, and the half shafts are what it limiting me. If I could find 10mm shorter drive shafts, Id be there.
Anyway, as always, it's up to the individual, but having driven cars slammed to that degree I wouldn't recommend it to anybody.
The red jetta with a h&r sportline kit, or similar eibach kit, and sway bars would run circles around the blue one at the track or street, and ride sport factory like, but I really think the main concern for slammers is the cool factor, so forget I said anything, lol.

Happy long weekend, all.

hey thanks for all the info you definitely know what your talking about, my goal with this car right now is more show than go as it still has everything stock except suspension. In the pic with the stock wheels they are still not coiled all the way down but close and there is no shock travel at all, but i did raise the hight up quite a bit after and the ride obviously got better but not by much(still bouncing and jarring). The pics with the rm's the car is low but not all the way down at all, and i guess it's a good thing i only drive it mabey twice a month. I know i'm comparing apples to oranges but my bmw with the kw's set as low as they can go still ride's smooth and takes hitting a decent dip while traveling 200km+ to bottom out the suspension, so i guess with the mk1 the line between rolling low and being drivable is alot sharper and i was hoping mabey better coilovers would soften that line a bit, even with the geometry all out of wac. And yes the red gli has bilstien suspension plus the 1.8 8v so it very drivable compared the the slammed blue one. thanks for your post
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