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| Question of the Week 43: The next Xbox!; December 1st, 2008 | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 2 2008, 02:23 AM (180 Views) | |
| Rocky2000 | Dec 2 2008, 02:23 AM Post #1 |
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 First of all, it's far from being announced. Microsoft has always taken their community's feedback and put it into their products. The NXE for example addressed all sorts of issues that were present in the old dashboard. But what about consoles? What do YOU want out of Microsoft console? 1080p native output? Eight controller support? Motion controller? Tell us, and I'll forward it to their support site! -Rocky Edited by Rocky2000, Dec 2 2008, 02:35 AM.
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| saucey feet | Dec 2 2008, 03:36 AM Post #2 |
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It's tough to picture something BETTER than what we have now. Aside from better quality, which will likely go unnoticed since what we have now is pretty awesome... I'd like it to be less noisy, without having to copy your disc to the HD. I'd like them to use better parts, so there isn't another red ring epidemic. Smaller is always better... a smaller system that runs smoother and uses better hardware is always something to hope for. Motion control is NOT something I want. If there's anything I learned from the Wii, it's that shooters are meant for mouse and keyboard or dual stick controller. |
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| SpartanZypher | Dec 2 2008, 04:20 AM Post #3 |
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The main noise issue is the DVD Drive, and the only way to solve that is to use a low speed drive. However, I doubt the next Xbox will only have a DVD Drive, just for simple storage capacity. Not many 360 games have gone beyond the 9.4Gb limit this generation. But they will with the next generation, so we'll either see a BluRay Drive, or some other media, because I still think full on Digital Distribution is at least a decade away. There's not really any advantages to having a smaller console, other than space saving. A smaller system would just get to hot. Especially if you're packing some major hardware, which the next Xbox will probably have. There's a reason the Wii is so small, it uses outdated hardware. I think the current size is just fine, just needs to have a more thought out cooling system. And more quality components are always nice, but price has to be kept in mind. But yeah, no motion controller, just give me my gamepad. |
 
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| saucey feet | Dec 2 2008, 05:02 AM Post #4 |
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On the topic of size: I don't really know much about the components used in each console. You said the Wii is small and can afford to be so because of the outdated parts it used. My question is... the PS2 was a pretty bulky console, but then they made that slim version of it. It's as thin as a notebook. I know the PS2 isn't nearly as noisy as the Xbox 360, nor does it have the capacity to produce gameplay like the new gen systems, but why can't Microsoft pull something like the people at Sony did? Size doesn't seem like an issue to some folks, but to others it is. It's not necessarily the space it takes up, it's also the aesthetics as well as portability. I don't like having a hulking, noisy console on my shelf. I'd much rather have a slimmer, sleeker version. While a smaller version of the 360 may overheat, I'm sure they can change some parts and either make a new version of the 360, or make the new console - whatever it may be - smaller and quieter. |
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| gallihand | Dec 2 2008, 11:19 AM Post #5 |
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As technology advances they find new ways of making things, many of which are more efficient (less waste heat). That probably had a lot to do with the PS2 slimming down. As for smaller I really don't care. What I would like is to not have that damn bulky power converter. I mean the thing is almost as big as the wii. Even if they had to make the console a little bigger put it inside. |
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| SpartanZypher | Dec 2 2008, 06:01 PM Post #6 |
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An external power source is always better, it puts off just as much heat as the console. Having it inside would only cause more problems. Yeah, it's a little inconvienent if you transport yours often, but it's better for the console in the long run. My first original Xbox's power unit burnt out because it didn't have enough ventilation. When I'm dropping several hundreds of dollars on a console, I want it to have the best power solution, and an external source is that. |
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| SpartanSinister | Dec 2 2008, 09:46 PM Post #7 |
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I wouldn't mind a smaller console, but I don't mind its current size either. That's not an issue for me. I don't see room for much improvement either, other than quality and price of products, the price thing probably not changing. By quality I mean hardware issues like you guys said. Everything about the 360 is definitely durable, controls, headsets, etc. That and just hardware upgrades is the only thing I see being able to improve, which comes with time and new technology. What I REALLY want is virtual reality, which isn't that far-fetched anymore. Maybe not a next Xbox thing, but that's just what I want to see coming to households. I also would like the first series of headsets back. It was so much easier to maneuver to the mute switch than the new ones where your reaching around for the dumb thing, and I know it's for the chatpad which doesn't need to be plugged in 24/7! Or the headsets gone wireless, not the dumb little ear thing, the entire headband microphone thing gone wireless. I'm not in to the style of the wireless mics.
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| Rocky2000 | Dec 3 2008, 04:28 AM Post #8 |
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Because digital distribution isn't completely among us (ie: full games on Xbox 360), I think that discs will probably roam the streets of the next generation. A few things that I'd like Microsoft to acomplish for their next console are as follows: Better server support: How many times have you had you dashboard freeze on you during the middle of an online game? This can't happen. The CPU speed on the console could be improved to fix this, but when it comes down to it, the amount of info that Xbox Live is pulling and pushing through the wire in the back of the console is too much and needs to be accomodated. I think that if Microsoft and the Xbox Live team came out with a first party fully compatible Xbox Live branded Router that people wouldn't have any complaints. Reduced amount of network manipulation: You might see it, you might not. But in most of the more popular Xbox Live games (CoD, Halo 3, Gears, GTA) the ability to maniuplate the network and host settings in your favour are still present. This needs to be fixed, and people need to be removed from the service. 1080p NATIVE resolution. Now that I've made the jump to full on 1080p, I've noticed the difference from the PS3 and the Xbox 360's clarity when it comes to gameplay and menu screens. The 360 still scales extremely well, but it could look tons better. Built in BluRay drive: Bluray is going to take over DVD within the next few years. It's a kickass upgrade, almost the same ratio as VHS:DVD. The ability to watch high def movies through marketplace is great, but they take an hour and a half to download, and their service is only FULLY supported in the US of A. Leave the controller the way it is. It's PERFECT. A few small additions would be fine, but if they put the thumbsticks in the PS3 position, I will totally revert back to this generation's pad. ...... I'll think of more stuff throughout the day. 
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| SpartanZypher | Dec 3 2008, 05:42 AM Post #9 |
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Increased server speed would be great, but such a task can't be done all at once. Upgrading the servers can only be done in small numbers at once, if they want to avoid a full Live Shutdown, and not to mention costly. However, perhaps it's not Microsoft's end that has the issues. Issues could be caused by a persons ISP, which only they could fix. So even if all of your equipment is compatible, neither you or Microsoft could fix it. As for reducing network manipulation, I'd love that. But doing so increases network and processor strain, as is noticeable in Halo 3, which does monitor network performance. And for users that don't have a high bandwitdh, it can cause lag. As for everything else Rocky said, I pretty much agree. The next Xbox will be 1080p native, and unless another media is found, will have a BluRay drive. And yea, the controller doesn't need any major changes, some slight tweaking here and there, but overall the it's the best gamepad every created. |
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| gallihand | Dec 4 2008, 12:33 PM Post #10 |
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oh one I forgot. Better music controls. Sucks having to open up the menu and move 80 times just to change a song. That and the lack of fast forwarding. They have it in video. Why not with music? And support more formats. flac, mkv, etc |
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| SpartanZypher | Dec 4 2008, 02:26 PM Post #11 |
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How would you propose a new menu system work? I can't really think of a quicker one than they have now, of course I use playlists or shuffle play all my music, so I never navigate it much. But even when I do it only takes me a few seconds. |
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| saucey feet | Dec 4 2008, 03:08 PM Post #12 |
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Maybe they can just add a few buttons to what they currently have for the media navigation thing. A button for fast forwarding/rewinding, and a button to bring you straight to the list of artists/songs/albums of your currently used music source. Or... they could make the controller like a car steering wheel and put the music nav buttons on the underside of the controller! Somewhere they wouldn't get in the way, like next to the battery pack or on the headset attachment thing or make an attachment like that little keyboard thing that they have and put nav buttons on it. Oh man there's so much they can do. |
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| SpartanZypher | Dec 4 2008, 07:34 PM Post #13 |
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Well, like I said, I've never had any problems with Media Navigation. So it's just a little hard to see what they could do to change it. And I think having dedicated buttons would be a bit much, people already complain that the controllers are to complex (although I disagree). Adding buttons that only purpose is to navigate media is a bit much. Sure, I suppose they could bring out a standalone device to do so, but wouldn't that be very similar to the already available Media Remotes? I have two media remotes, the most basic one that came with my launch console, and the highest end Harmony 360. So maybe it's just me. |
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| gallihand | Dec 5 2008, 12:53 PM Post #14 |
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How about we start with something nice and simple. In the music menu (and the Xbox menu) make the triggers do the FF and RW like they do in video, or they could change the songs in the menu. ATM they do NOTHING. And how about a way to get back into your playlist. Once you back out of it you can't get back into that screen without restarting the process. |
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| SpartanSinister | Dec 6 2008, 03:27 AM Post #15 |
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What they could do is have a smaller version of the media player that's on the dash and put it in the guide button dash media trim or whatever - minus the visual effect thing. So like it'll have a currently playing, then to the right of it a list of your music, but for the FF and RW thing with the triggers, I don't see a need to FF and RW really and it's used to scroll down in pages. Anyways, this allows for quicker access to your music, the only time you'd have to navigate through it is if you want to select the device to play from, like computer or HDD. Maybe have a "sort by" and have aritists, ABC, album, etc. They could pull it off.
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| SpartanZypher | Dec 6 2008, 06:55 AM Post #16 |
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You can already search via Artist and Album, and they're in alphabetical order. There's no way to slim down or quicken the system that's already in place. And yes the riggers are in use, like Sinister said, they allow you to move more quickly through lists. Believe they go down by ten every press. And there is a Media Player in the Media Blade of the Guide, I know, I use it a lot. The only reason I could see them adding a forward/reverse funtion to audio files is for things other than music, such as podcasts or audio books. I never find myself wanting to fast forward a song, mainly cause I only have songs I'll listen too. |
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| SpartanSinister | Dec 6 2008, 08:52 AM Post #17 |
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I know you can sort like that, but that's after you navigate into it. You missed my point. I'm talking about the media trim that pops when you hit the guide button and it's not much. It just has what's playing and the FF, RW, Pauce, etc. I mean have that, but slim it down and put a list of your music to the right of it and allow you to sort that list, rather than going in, clicking the source, then choose what to sort buy. Then once you exit it out, you'll have to navigate BACK in if you want to do it again. |
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| SpartanZypher | Dec 6 2008, 10:27 AM Post #18 |
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Then it would be to cluttered, you have to keep in mind how that will behave and look on all displays, for all types of visually impaired players. Plus the whole idea of the NXE was to simplify and smooth the Dashboard and Guide. Adding more to it, in a smaller space, would only degrade from it. |
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| gallihand | Dec 6 2008, 01:20 PM Post #19 |
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How about adding a "next song" option on the main guide button page? But they still need to make a way to access your current playlist rather than starting a new one. Currently the only way to access your playlist again is to add another song onto it, and to do that you have to be in the dashboard. If nothing else swap the layout on the media pane in the guide. Put the controls on top and the libraries on the bottom since you must exit the game to access the libraries. |
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| Rocky2000 | Dec 6 2008, 07:07 PM Post #20 |
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I think what might work (especially since I listen to a lot of podcasts) is if you could press a seperate button on the guide that would be called "seek" or something. There, it would display a status bar of the length of the song or podcast, and then the left thumbstick, d-pad or triggers would move a small square across the status line of a song allowing you to jump to any part of the song. For example, the song "Close to the Edge" by Pink Floyd is close to TWENTY MINUTES long. Some people have that thing for music where they jump right to the part they like. Especially if the song has a really long and quiet intro like Cluster One by Pink Floyd. Overall, it wouldn't hurt to have a seek bar for music -- it can't be THAT hard to code it. |
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