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Dragon vs Drow Poison
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DarkElf Dec 5 2007, 07:07 AM Post #1
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So I have a group of players that are down right scoundrels. They walked into a dragon's lair by mistake and before they knew it, they were all hiding in a stone building. the dragon was a shadow dragon. (They were all underground) Well prior to that the group fought many drow, and wound up having a lot of drow poison.

I could not find anywhere in the dragonomicon about Dragons being immune to poisons. They are immune to magic sleep effects, but Drow poison...while it causes sleep, is not really magically.

The dragon Happened to have rolled a 1....the only number it would have failed on. So in two rounds my dragon was reduced to a Coup d'grace by the Paladin for 56 points of dmg...and it failed that saving throw. So the Paladin decapitated the thing.

I'm trying to find out if the drow poison works that way. Because they plan to buy more and throw them in the mouth of the next dragon they meet.
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Valefor Dec 5 2007, 11:05 AM Post #2
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My personal view is that Dragons would be vulnerable to drow sleep poison. It is designed to work on drow, which are immune to sleep spells (as per elf qualities). On the other hand only the evil drow make the sleep poison and they usually don’t sell it. Unless they already have a bunch of the stuff on hand I would make it more trouble for the poison then it’s worth for the characters to get their hands on it. I know in 2nd edition the stuff only lasted for so long when taken out of the Underdark (I think a week), so even if they get the stuff they better use it quickly. I know 3rd edition has stats for drow poison, but I’m at work so I don’t have the material in front of me.

Or if you can't stop the characters from using poison, have the dragon drink or cast the spell of delay poison. Potions can be part of a dragon's horde, who says they can't use them!
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well they didn't exactly buy it in the first place. they more or lesses just looted it off off the drow that were using it on them. Drow poison placed in a bag of holding shields it from the sun light and all other means of contamination. Well I don't want to gimp them completely for being brilliant tacticians. I mean for once they got a plan and followed through with it. I just don't want dragons to be that easy to defeat. Though a 1 out 20 isn't all that easy...just lucky. The problem I'm going to have is when they start getting a hold of tons of vials and using barrles of the stuff to drug the dragon...or any moster. I'll have to look into lots of potions. The problem with drow poison is if you fail its immediately put to sleep.

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Though a 1 out 20 isn't all that easy...just lucky.

You know, I recall a game of ours in which we met a beholder kin (I forget which type) that was guarding a treasure on a remote island, all by itself. It was only told to attack those who actively tried to take the treasure and I can't recall if it was evil, but it was starved for attention. Hell, it served us lunch!

It was so bored my bard couldn't stand it. We knew that at our level fighting the thing would suck, so we tried to come up with another way to send him home. And then we remembered that we had something with Sepia Snake Sigil cast on it. So we told him, "read this." He had like two or three rolls to fail and a high likelihood of passing each roll, but he rolled just low enough each time. Valefor, who was running, couldn't believe it. Here he was thinking we'd fight and one of us would be dead for sure. Nope. We beat it until it was dead, so that once the spell wore off the beholder kin would get to go home. We even left him a note right where he'd see it, to the effect of "bon voyage!"

The treasure was good stuff and Valefor had been hoping we'd give more to get it, but he didn't want to dick us for our good luck either.
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The problem I'm going to have is when they start getting a hold of tons of vials and using barrles of the stuff to drug the dragon...or any moster.

Okay, as I recall poisons are expensive in D&D and not everyone can make them. (But just about every town guard will confiscate them if they can.) Drow poison is some of the most rare because it's the drow who use it and they don't like to part with it. So while I can see your group getting some of it, eventually they should get their asses handed to them by the drow. In any event, they should never have access to barrels of it (or any other poison, probably).

I'm not sure how to keep them from trying to stockpile the stuff once they get their hands on it. Throw enough tough encounters at them, though, and they might be pulling out the stops.

Giving dragons some potions isn't a bad idea. Just keep in mind that potions will probably make the fight last a bit longer and might make the CR go up.

Btw, where do they specify drow poison in 3X? I haven't looked at my D&D books in a while and can't recall.
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DarkElf Dec 5 2007, 01:06 PM Post #5
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Btw, where do they specify drow poison in 3X? I haven't looked at my D&D books in a while and can't recall.

I know its on the srd for poison
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I'm pretty sure that "sleep effects" was defined by the designers as "anything that puts you to sleep against your will." This might have been a Sage Advice answer, but I remember reading it somewhere.
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I'm pretty sure that "sleep effects" was defined by the designers as "anything that puts you to sleep against your will." This might have been a Sage Advice answer, but I remember reading it somewhere.

Assuming this is a 3.X discussion, it doesn't matter. Drow poison makes you unconscious rather than putting you to sleep.
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It's been a while since I've played D&D, so I have to ask, what's the difference? Looking at the SRD, being asleep or unconscious renders you helpless; the same penalties occur for both states.
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Right, but dragons and elves are immune to sleep effects. Neither are immune to being rendered unconscious. Same result, but they're immune to one and vulnerable to the other.
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Dec 6 2007, 01:29 PM
Right, but dragons and elves are immune to sleep effects. Neither are immune to being rendered unconscious. Same result, but they're immune to one and vulnerable to the other.

Aha! That's the sort of answer I was looking for. Nevermind me, I'm having a blonde kinda of day.
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