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Grrrr, this is frustrating.; DM refuses to let player go.
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Vacerious Dec 8 2005, 05:19 PM Post #1
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hey everyone,

first off...
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as you all may or may not currently know, I am playing in the City of the Spider Queen campaign with a group in my area. well, i should be, but it seems our group has a little problem.

First, general details:
CG Svirfneblin Rogue
LN Leonari (homebrew race) Monk
CN Human Warlock (me)
CN Elven Bard
LG _____ Paladin (character not created yet)
LG Aasimar Paladin/Kensai (character not created yet/problem player)

it has nearly been a month since the campaign was announced. all of the characters except the two paladins are finished. while the first paladin has only joined our group very recently, the second paladin has been part of our group for a long time.

the problem is, it took the rest of the party (except for the first paladin) only a few days, max, to create their characters. the second paladin, however, is nearing his second month of incompletion. the player claims he's really busy, but the player with the elven bard has the same classes as him and still managed to get his character complete within a few days (granted, me and the monk helped him create his character). keep in mind, by character creation, i mean just the mechanics. Not the mechanics and backstory. just mechanics.

Just a few minutes earlier, the DM, the rogue, the bard, and I were discussing about the party size. the rogue suggested that the players got together and drew straws, and the two players w/ the shortest straws would be dropped. I suggested however, that we should drop the paladin/kensai. i had mentioned this to my DM before, and it seemed to annoy him every time. i guess he had enough of it, and gave me a 2000 gp penalty. My response to this was, "Sorry bein' fuckin' reasonable." In my DM's defense, he probably thought I wanted to drop him because he was an LG paladin and I was a CN Warlock, and that just wasnt going to work. But allow me to reassure you, i want the dm to drop this guy because he's taken way too damn long just to write a bunch of letters and numbers on a piece of paper.

it seems no matter what i do, my dm just refuses to drop the paladin/kensai, despite the fact that he has taken nearly a month to complete.

by the way, as you all may or may not know, the kensai class has to take an oath of some kind, and if they break it, they lose their class features. any ways, this kensai's oath, supposedly, is to 'protect and serve all good dragons.' now, typically, this wouldn't be a problem, because there would typically be a slight chance that we might encounter a good dragon that has gone crazy and attacks for some strange reason. however, the CotSQ campaign takes place in the FUCKING UNDERDARK, which according to my knowledge, and i might be wrong, but i'm pretty fuckin sure there are no good dragons in the underdark, if any. Hence, the kensai gets all of his amazing powers for pretty much nuthin.

Should I tell my DM to go fuck himself with a mercurial greatsword for being so damned stubborn and leave? Does it seem like he's favoring the kensai, or am i just being delusional/pissed off? Was I reasonable in suggesting we drop him? What should I do?

once again, thanks for your eternal wisdom.
Vacerious
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Fixxxer Dec 8 2005, 10:52 PM Post #2
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Dec 8 2005, 07:19 PM
Should I tell my DM to go fuck himself with a mercurial greatsword for being so damned stubborn and leave?

Now, before you read my response, please take note of the fact that I'm a stubborn S.O.B. I'm currently not DMing a game because I'd rather not play than compromise my playing in such a way as to make me resentful towards the game and/or the people I play with. So, in short, take this response as you see fit.

I would leave the game. I would do it politely, but I would make sure to say my piece before I walked out the door. The moment that the DM penalized my PC for a suggestion I made about how to improve the game, he would have lost me. To sum it up as shortly as I can...that's bullshit, man! At that point, it wouldn't matter whether or not he was defending a particular player. He penalized my PC as a means to reinforce the idea that he has complete control over the game and my PC and I'd better shut the hell up or he'll do something worse. I'm sorry, but I simply refuse to play with someone that is going to try and lord power over me like that.

With regards to this problem player, from the information you've given us, I'd say you definately have a legitimate gripe. If he's too busy to roll up stats for the PC, he has no business committing himself to spending time actually gaming. If the DM refuses to see this...well...they can both go fuck themselves.
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Something smells rotten when a DM acts in the way that yours has. What is it about that one player that's so damned important? Why should the rest of you miss out on gaming because one person can't be bothered to finish their sheet? What's worse, though, is that he penalized your character the way he did. I would probably bow out of that game since who knows when it's going to happen, but I might try to get an immediate game together with the players you like. A group doesn't have to be big, but it does have to function enough to actually play.
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DaveReaves Dec 9 2005, 06:27 AM Post #4
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I would take my leave. As both Fix and Kismet have said, once your DM starts penalizing your character for out of game reasons its time to find a new DM. God only knows when he is going to knock you down a level for not letting him have any of your cheetos. I would not tell him or anyone in the group to go fuck themselves. Instead, leave on a peacefull note and once the DM pisses off the rest of the people who want to play (and he will) you can form a group of your own.
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yep, I would follow the suggestions above. I have nothing else to add other than this reminds me of the thread kismet started yesterday about DM's and power. This is one of the problems I spoke about, power hungry DM's. DM's need to know how to exercise control, but not to demand power which is what yours is doing.
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Valefor Dec 9 2005, 10:16 AM Post #6
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First of all, your DM sounds like an asshole. But there may be another option besides quitting.

First of all, I would relax until the end of the year. With the holidays, gaming usually grinds to a halt. However, if your paladins don’t have their character sheets done by then, they shouldn't get to play.

They key is to get the other players support. If all of you (except for the paladins) get together to talk to the DM at the same time you'll have a better chance of forcing his hand. If all of you demand that he start the game soon, with or without the paladins, or you all walk, he'll be forced to either start, or blow off the campaign. Either way, you have closure.

However, the docking of starting gold is not cool. During the conversation I would demand that back. I would seriously think about playing with a DM that pulled that sort of bullshit.
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Dear DM,

On the date of december 9th of the year of our Lord 2005, this board has taken note of a desission from your side, concerning one of your players known to us by the name of Vacerious.

It has come to our understanding that you, in disagreement with him over how to size down the group of players, have used rule number 0 to penalize the Warlock to be played with aforementioned Vacerious, by the som of 2000 GP.

We, the board, have discussed this situation, based on evidence as presented to us, and hereby declare that you have falsly used the power of rule 0 to deal with an out of game situation. You are ordered to come back on your desission, and declare the penalty void, or you shall henceforth be deprived of the privilege of rule 0.

With respect,

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Dec 10 2005, 12:31 PM
Dear DM,

On the date of december 9th of the year of our Lord 2005, this board has taken note of a desission from your side, concerning one of your players known to us by the name of Vacerious.

It has come to our understanding that you, in disagreement with him over how to size down the group of players, have used rule number 0 to penalize the Warlock to be played with aforementioned Vacerious, by the som of 2000 GP.

We, the board, have discussed this situation, based on evidence as presented to us, and hereby declare that you have falsly used the power of rule 0 to deal with an out of game situation. You are ordered to come back on your desission, and declare the penalty void, or you shall henceforth be deprived of the privilege of rule 0.

With respect,

Freston

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You suck goat ass.
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Dec 10 2005, 10:31 AM
Dear DM,

On the date of december 9th of the year of our Lord 2005, this board has taken note of a desission from your side, concerning one of your players known to us by the name of Vacerious.

It has come to our understanding that you, in disagreement with him over how to size down the group of players, have used rule number 0 to penalize the Warlock to be played with aforementioned Vacerious, by the som of 2000 GP.

We, the board, have discussed this situation, based on evidence as presented to us, and hereby declare that you have falsly used the power of rule 0 to deal with an out of game situation. You are ordered to come back on your desission, and declare the penalty void, or you shall henceforth be deprived of the privilege of rule 0.

With respect,

Freston

Freston, you rock. That was excellent! :D
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