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| Tazman | Apr 23 2008, 04:50 PM Post #1 |
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Wow ... not 1 new post since I checked in last night around 10pm .... WAKE UP WORLD!!!!
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| roachrlsjr | Apr 23 2008, 05:15 PM Post #2 |
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They may be too busy searching every nook & cranny for spare change in order to buy gas! It jumped from $3.43 to $3.66 yesterday!!
Must have been in celebration of Happy Earth Day... Now I'm looking at buying a scooter that gets more than 60mpg just for commuting. Wish me luck.
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| Tazman | Apr 23 2008, 05:31 PM Post #3 |
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I hear ya ... fortunately, I only live 3 miles from work. If gas gets to high, I may just break out the mountain bike
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| Tazman | Apr 23 2008, 05:55 PM Post #4 |
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how about 115 MPG! http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/products...529/0/home.aspx |
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| Tazman | Apr 23 2008, 06:40 PM Post #5 |
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Some vehicles I've seen around Atlanta I've seen a few of these in the Burbs .. ![]() I saw this one on the I285 Loop during rush hour ... someone is real brave, stupid, or desperate. ![]() All kinds of scooters like Vespa's, on the downtown streets. ![]() Some kit car ... ![]() I saw something like this, but they say they are only for sale in CA. ..
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| Enigma Deadsouls | Apr 23 2008, 06:51 PM Post #6 |
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Everyone is busy looking at pictures of Hermione's hiney. In other words, the Emma Watson upskirt photos that came out a week or so ago. |
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| Enigma Deadsouls | Apr 23 2008, 07:09 PM Post #7 |
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I get 80 to 120 MPG on my Aprilia SR50R Factory. The reason for such a huge difference is I tend to do a lot of mountain climbing (blue ridge parkway and such), which kills MPG for anything. The 125cc/250cc/400cc Piaggio MP3 taz showed are sweet scooters. I prefer the look of the Gilera Fuoco 500ie however (sold as the 500cc Piaggio MP3 here in the states). I remember the early mp3 prototypes that Piaggio showed off years ago that were 50cc. While a 50cc would be cool, it would really be a bit to heavy for a 50cc. |
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| TJSEVEN | Apr 23 2008, 07:14 PM Post #8 |
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Yeah....let's all go buy Hummers! So ...if the war was all about oil.....how come oil prices tripled. If we're Imperialists.....how come oil prices tripled. It's like taking over a cheese factory and paying $20 bucks for a grilled cheese! So we stopped using and expanding the use of Nuclear power because all the activists wanted to save us from the cheapest, cleanest, safest fuel ever developed. Now several of the those same former activists have gone on record to say we should open more nuclear power plants...to save us from global warming etc.! Hmmmmm....whose payroll were they really on back in the day! Or who was pulling their strings. So there was the big scare at 3 mile island but nobody ever died....there was Chernobyl....but who knows what the Russians were really doing and they certainly didn't care. Thirty years later the technology is 100x better for safety. How many coal miners die a year from mine accidents,blacklung, cancer? check out those numbers? What is the pollution rate caused by coal burning energy plants??? What does that contribute to (Calling Mr. Gore!)??????? Why do we need so much fossil fuel? How much would we need if we had continued the development of nuclear power and the plants?? How much do you think a gallon of gas would be today....if we had...maybe a buck a gallon! So who got the most out of the virtual shutdown of nuclear power?? You think maybe all the oil guys? So all those people that claimed they were working for the good of mankind....who were they hurting and who were they helping???? Hmmmmmm.......! What did the Who sing, "Won't Get Fooled Again"????? It's all kind of funny when you put it all in perspective! ....and everyone is buying into it again!
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| Enigma Deadsouls | Apr 23 2008, 07:33 PM Post #9 |
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Founder: Why I Left Greenpeace $1/Gallon "Green Gasoline" In Sight |
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| TD25x | Apr 23 2008, 08:13 PM Post #10 |
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Whats even more embarassing is FRANCE(!!!) produces 70-80% of it's nations electricty by nuclear power. |
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| Jim | Apr 23 2008, 08:51 PM Post #11 |
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Well I was watching an interesting program last night (was it on National Geographic?) and they were saying that we may have already hit the maximum oil production the world is going to produce. Depending upon any new additions, we might peak as late as 2010 (not very far off). The biggest deposit in the world (in Saudi Arabia) has pumped some 1 trillion barrels since it first started and is about 50% depleted. Fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy night! Best regards from Rochester, NY Jim |
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| roachrlsjr | Apr 23 2008, 10:49 PM Post #12 |
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Yee haaw Taz! We really struck a chord there!! Sure got TJ's eire stirred up... Tj I absolutely with you since you framed it in a way I hadn't previously seriously considered. I used to (very long ago, a different life almost...) with them no-Nukes folks but give the French credit they've proven Nukyoular energy can be safe and efficient (and isn't that how we really should cook our french fries and french toast, with good clean efficient electricity? ) But seriously, except for the occasional radiant afterglow, our air would be cleaner by leaps and bounds from less burning of anything and we'd have an inexpensive source of "plug-in" energy to power electric vehicles or all sorts, including cars and scooters! At the same time, lest we forget, the price of oil/gas was kept artificially low in the USA and if we had allowed the price of gas to rise with inflation over time we would not be suffering from "sticker shock" at the pump, just look at the prices YourOPins have been paying (by the litre no less) as long as I can remember, no wonder they adopted "alternate" modes of transteleportation! We're gonna need Enigmas expertise here. I've been looking at "scooters" (that name just conjers up the strangest visions, I keep thinking about my poor dog scooting across the carpet trying to scratch the unscratchable itch...) it seems unavoidable that most of them are made in China and sell at a discounted price of $1,000-$2,000 for a seemingly decent buy but you wonder how long will this "toy" last? Or how long before I'm struck by that idiot that failed to yield or to see me? Is there a brand to focus on or avoid? Some of the bikes with different manufacturer names look identical (badge engineering?) 150cc vs 250, 2 cylinder vs single coffee can? 12-13 inch wheels vs 16 inchers? 325lbs max riders vs 380? My wife and I can't ride at the same time on the former but we can on the latter (my fault not hers!) I saw the Gilera Fuoco on a Vespa website and the dual front wheels make great sense for stability and control and it looks pretty cool to boot. Anyone remember the Trihawk from the late 70's/early 80's? They must have gone belly up but they had the right idea, just the wrong timing. A motorcycle with 2 rear wheels (tricycle) is more apt to roll over in a tight turn in one of 2 axes whereas a tricycle with 2 front wheels is infinitely more stable in turns because the axes are trailing rather than leading.
Sorry if I lost ayone there, suffice it to say that I understand and accept the stability concept without needing to know why it works! Anyway, not all of us want to ride a crotch rocket or hang out with the Hell's Angels or see who's got the loudest brap-brap-brap or can do the smokiest burn out (what a waste of good rubber! ) Wind in the hair (I still have some and not all of it coming out of ears and nose!) and bugs in your teeth can still be had for a bargain basement price if you're willing to risk life and limb and self-respect on the means streets of "small town" America, it's still a "free" country, but the gas is gonna cost ya!
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| TJSEVEN | Apr 24 2008, 03:36 AM Post #13 |
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So did I....a very long time ago....I was a kid but I think I marched on the first Earthday. I was fooled too.............or I believed that they had the same high ideals I had. Not the double switch! |
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| roscopico | Apr 24 2008, 07:27 AM Post #14 |
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Too much cash in the pipe, not too little fuel. Of course I realize there is no incentive for the $$$ mongers to increase refining capacity, and the God-Damned green zealouts have stymied even the meek utterance of building one (to save the planet, lollers). But despite all this, the dollar is weak, and the high gas prices are driven primarily by weakness in the dollar. the Euro, formerly worth 80cents, now worth a buck two-eighty. Underfunded pandering by our illustrious leadership, and the resultant entitlement programs force the gov't in debt deeper than the horse-crap spewing from the candidates. The problem, my friends, is the government printing too much money. I'll shut up now. |
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| TJSEVEN | Apr 24 2008, 10:38 AM Post #15 |
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Good stuff! I had read about that new process a couple of months ago. My cynical mind said that Exxon will either buy them all or have them all killed in mysterious accidents! ![]() Just think if we had even 70% of our power coming from Nuclear plants. |
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THE BLACK PEARL with a new sail! AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo Core 2MB L2 cache S939 Overclocked to something or other this week! ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 MOBO (3 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16, 1 AGP, 1 Future CPU Port, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, LAN) 4 Gig G.SKILL PC3200 DUAL DDR SDRAM and other Stuff....! ZOOM>>>ZOOM>>> I ALWAYS SAY," IF YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO OVERCLOCK THEN IT ISN'T REALLY AN OVERCLOCK!!" | |
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| Enigma Deadsouls | Apr 24 2008, 08:39 PM Post #16 |
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For Chinese, if you pay more than $1000 for a 50cc (including shipping), or $1500 for a 150cc (including shipping), you are being ripped off. At those prices the dealer is still making a good profit. It's amazing how cheap the Chinese scooters really are. In many cases the cost of shipping the scooter, even by the container full, is equal to or more than the cost of the scooter. The chinese make good food, friendly people, and good looking women (now if they could just get rid of that horrible oppressive government)... but can't seem to make any quality products. The bikes/scooters/atvs I worked on were so poorly built that they were in many cases unsafe to ride. A few times they were so bad that I complained and refused to sign off on it (the unit still went out anyway). I have never seen such inconsistent metals before in my life. It was like they threw all of the scrap metals they could find into a pot, melted it down and cast it. I saw parts that were soft and pliable at one end and hard and brittle at the other. Welds were a joke, the beads were inconsistent and looked like they were a done by a first time welder with no knowledge of how to weld. If I had a picture I could give you a better of what the beads looked like, they were so bad it's hard to explain in words. There was no penetration, so the crap bead held everything together. Parts broke at the welds all of the time, and when looked at you could see the lack of penetration was why.All that said, if all you are looking for is something to run errands and short distance travel, a chinese scooter might be good enough for you. The rant above is copied from another forum I wrote it on about 2 years ago and I will admit that I have noticed the quality on some Chinese products has improved a bit. The problem with the Chinese when they build things themselves for themselves is that they have low (no) quality control. Lots of things are build in China for other companies which are built to much higher quailty (usually not quite as good as something built in the USA, EU, or JP, but sometimes close), but it's because those companies have much higher quality standards. I can't really give any brands to look for, because as you have noticed, many are the same with different badges (brands in China seem like brands in Russia, some come and go overnight). If you chose to go Chinese, give the scooter a good inspection and look at things like welds, the frame, and fasteners. If you are willing to spend a bit more ($1000-$2500 for a 50cc), look at Taiwanese and Korean, they are a step up from the Chinese. I would recomend Kymco (Taiwanese), and Hyosung (Korean). Both make good quality products (almost on par with Japanese in many aspects) for good prices. The Hyosung Sense might be one of the most reliable scooters ever. Because of it's cheap price, people who buy them (usually DWI/DUI) don't take care of them. I've seen some that were trashed like no other, and just keep going. Kymco and Hyosung are both stong companies and will still be here in 10 years, unlike many of the Chinese brands. If you ended up with either one of these brands you would be very happy. On the high end you have Japanese and Italian scooters. Honda (Japan), Suzuki (Japan), Yamaha (Japan), Aprilia (Italy), Piaggio (Italy), to name a few. Expect to pay $2000-$3000 for a 50cc here. All well known, well supported brands.
That depends on your budget and what you want to do. A 125/150cc is good for most everything, even limited two up interstate highway use (55 MPH MAX! and no steep hills/mountains). If you plan on doing lots of two up interstate highway use, a 200/250cc is the way to go. Most 125/150 top out in the 60's (flat), most 200/250 will do 70's (flat). In most cases two models of the same type but in 125/150 vs 200/250 are the same scooter just with a different engine. A 125/150 will get better fuel mileage, in theory atleast. Depending on use, the 200/250 might be able to do as well, expecially if you do a lot of hill/mountain climbing.
Almost all scooters are thumpers. There are only a few multi-cylinder scooters out there, and only two that I know of sold in the states (Suzuki Burgman 650 and Honda Silver Wing).
I wouldn't worry too much about this. In theory the larger wheels are a bit more stable, but wheelbase, rake and trail, etc... plays a lot into that as well.
Go on a diet fatty. LOL! Most scooters should be able to take you both. My Aprilia SR50R Factory has a Vehicle max load (rider + passenger + luggage) of 397lbs. ------ A few things to add. If you are going to get a 50cc (or anything under 100cc), get a two-stoke. They get about the same MPG as a four-stoke, but have a bit more power. In some states there is an advantage to a 50cc scooter. In many states a 50cc scooter doesn't need to be registered or have insurance and the driver doesn't need a motorcycle license. Edit: The Kymco Agility 125 are hard to beat for the price ($2000). I've seen them in person, and while they do look a bit cheapish, still can't beat the price (unless you go Chinese). |
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| Enigma Deadsouls | Apr 24 2008, 10:10 PM Post #17 |
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2003 Aprilia Scarabeo 150 in St. Louis, MO. $2100. If I had the spare cash I'd buy it.![]()
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| TJSEVEN | Apr 25 2008, 11:01 PM Post #18 |
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Enigma's buddy is getting busy! "Greenpeace founder now backs nuclear power" http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/360625.html I think I started a new trend....I feel like Al Gore! If I was Fat Al.....I guess I would now claim that I invented Nuclear Power! .......
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THE BLACK PEARL with a new sail! AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo Core 2MB L2 cache S939 Overclocked to something or other this week! ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 MOBO (3 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16, 1 AGP, 1 Future CPU Port, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, LAN) 4 Gig G.SKILL PC3200 DUAL DDR SDRAM and other Stuff....! ZOOM>>>ZOOM>>> I ALWAYS SAY," IF YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO OVERCLOCK THEN IT ISN'T REALLY AN OVERCLOCK!!" | |
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| Enigma Deadsouls | Apr 30 2008, 06:30 PM Post #19 |
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Back from the dead I bring this thread.
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| TJSEVEN | Apr 30 2008, 08:13 PM Post #20 |
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Which Power Ranger is that????? :rolleyes: |
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THE BLACK PEARL with a new sail! AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo Core 2MB L2 cache S939 Overclocked to something or other this week! ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 MOBO (3 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16, 1 AGP, 1 Future CPU Port, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, LAN) 4 Gig G.SKILL PC3200 DUAL DDR SDRAM and other Stuff....! ZOOM>>>ZOOM>>> I ALWAYS SAY," IF YOU HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO OVERCLOCK THEN IT ISN'T REALLY AN OVERCLOCK!!" | |
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Must have been in celebration of Happy Earth Day...
Now I'm looking at buying a scooter that gets more than 60mpg just for commuting.
Wish me luck.






Tj I absolutely
with you since you framed it in a way I hadn't previously seriously considered.
I used to (very long ago, a different life almost...)
credit they've proven Nukyoular energy can be safe and efficient (and isn't that how we really should cook our french fries and french toast, with good clean efficient electricity?
) But seriously, except for the occasional radiant afterglow, our air would be cleaner by leaps and bounds from less burning of anything and we'd have an inexpensive source of "plug-in" energy to power electric vehicles or all sorts, including cars and scooters!
At the same time, lest we forget, the price of oil/gas was kept artificially low in the USA and if we had allowed the price of gas to rise with inflation over time we would not be suffering from "sticker shock" at the pump, just look at the prices YourOPins have been paying (by the litre no less) as long as I can remember, no wonder they adopted "alternate" modes of transteleportation!
Is there a brand to focus on or avoid? Some of the bikes with different manufacturer names look identical (badge engineering?) 150cc vs 250, 2 cylinder vs single coffee can? 12-13 inch wheels vs 16 inchers? 325lbs max riders vs 380? My wife and I can't ride at the same time on the former but we can on the latter (my fault not hers!)
Sorry if I lost ayone there, suffice it to say that I understand and accept the stability concept without needing to know why it works! Anyway, not all of us want to ride a crotch rocket or hang out with the Hell's Angels or see who's got the loudest brap-brap-brap or can do the smokiest burn out (what a waste of good rubber!
) Wind in the hair (I still have some and not all of it coming out of ears and nose!) and bugs in your teeth can still be had for a bargain basement price if you're willing to risk life and limb and self-respect on the means streets of "small town" America, it's still a "free" country, but the gas is gonna cost ya! 



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