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| PioneerCrazed | Nov 13 2005, 08:59 PM Post #1 |
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Is the socket 478 in anyway going to be outdated soon? I'm seriously considering getting rid of my 2.3ghz celeron 400 fsb for a P4 800 fsb. Now I see that socket 775 is the new hot ticket, any difference in performance? While we're at it, what's the difference between a northwood and prescott? Which is better, all I know is on my mobo box it says Prescott supported. Thanks
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| Pianolady | Nov 14 2005, 12:11 PM Post #2 |
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Depends on what you want your computer to be able to do. I built a socket 478 Prescott system over a year ago, and have already upgraded video card twice to accomodate new games on the market (but I didn't really need to). However, if gaming isn't your cup of tea, the 478 socket probably will last you a long time and be a big improvement over your Celeron system. I'm not planning on building a new system for several years to come, and just upgraded what I have, and it runs all current games very well on highest settings, and has no problems with video editing. If you have a better mobo than I got, you could probably overclock with adequate cooling, the Prescott is known to run hot. I have maxed out case fans etc, and used the stock retail Intel fan for the processor, and never had any overheating problems. Never built a Northwood system, but am guessing it overclocks better (?). Someone else will have to chime in on that one & the 775 socket processors. |
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| bigsteve4570 | Nov 14 2005, 01:06 PM Post #3 |
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Intel names their cores after rivers in the Pacific Northwest. The difference between a Northwood and a Prescott is in the "Process Size". "Process Size" refers to the distance between transistors in the core. This distance is measured in nanometers (nm). One nanometer is equal to one billionth of a meter. A Northwood core is built on a 130nm process, meaning the transistors are 130nm apart. A Prescott core is built on a 90nm process. The is ... the closer the transistors are, the faster the electrical impulses can complete a trip through the core. Another benefit is physical size. You can pack more transistors into a 90nm core than you can a 130nm core of the same dimensions.The down-side of the smaller process is heat. The smaller the process, the less room for heat dissipation. Prescott core CPU's run very hot. Bottom line ... the Prescott core allows for greater speed potential. |
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| stevep | Nov 14 2005, 04:16 PM Post #4 |
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If I recall correctly, in about 120 days time Microsoft will allow you to activate your next upgrade, which could be a Pentium 800FSB processor, Dual channel PC3200 memory and a 7,200 rpm hard-drive at least. Because the link in your upgrade thread is broken, can't recall the exact details of your new ECS motherboard...should go like a rocket, anyway...which is why I was so impressed with what you did.
Perhaps you could put some details in your signature, found in "My Controls". p.s. I follow your exploits with interest because I am contemplating similar upgrades...
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| PioneerCrazed | Nov 14 2005, 05:02 PM Post #5 |
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Thanks for everyone's replies so far! Stevep, M$ getting in the way again... DOH! My number one goal is to be able to game, now I don't have to be one step behind NASA but I want a good machine. It seems that Socket 478 isn't going anywhere to soon. The main reason I'm planning on upgrading the processor is because I want to get a Nvidia 6800 video card, but I can gaurantee the processor will stop it in its tracks from performing. I looked up my mobo's website(Now in Sig), and it seems that I can get either a prescott, northwood, or even a willamette..? Prescott looks to be the way to go. Call me crazy, but I think that my Celeron may be holding back some power from my out dated 5200 video card. Possible? |
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| bigsteve4570 | Nov 14 2005, 10:55 PM Post #6 |
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Willamette is pre-Northwood. Like the Northwood, it's a 130nm process ... but built to a smaller scale & lower speed potential. |
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| stevep | Nov 15 2005, 07:27 AM Post #7 |
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The main attraction of the chipsets with socket 775 over 478 is that they support the new 64bit processors that are rolling out and the higher speed DDR2 memory. But I can't see a way to get from here to there on the old restore disks yet. You may be interested to know that I figured out how to backup that activated partition of yours: http://s2.invisionfree.com/emachineupgrade...?showtopic=3361 Meantime I would think about some faster memory (Single Channel on your mobo) as being your most cost effective upgrade right now. Should add 50% to your speed and the same 512MB size will not affect activation...a case fan and bigger power supply are worth considering also, if you haven't done this already. It is not always the case that installing a faster component makes your pc run faster, more often a question of eliminating the bottleneck. EDIT: It is hard to find direct comparisons of Pentiums and Celerons, but they seem to be what you would expect from the difference in FSB and Cache: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20021016/c...html#comanche_4 |
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| Sentinel67 | Mar 3 2006, 10:30 AM Post #8 |
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The Willamette cores only fit socket 423, not 478...if my memory serves. Stay away from those. I heard Intel was completely phasing out the P4 chips later this year (socket 478?). Mind you, there should be plenty of 478 Celerons, produced for the economy class boxes. Dunno about the Pents though. Doesn't look promising for those of us with this platform...
Still, it could be worse. I've had my P4 running since '03 and only now are they being phased out. I might have invested in that X2 box I've been wanting to build...ironic that the P4s and socket 939 should be going away in the same year...or is it??? <_<
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| evasive | Jul 30 2006, 04:50 PM Post #9 |
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Willamette also used in some socket478 400MHz FSBs |
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| Sentinel67 | Aug 17 2006, 09:03 AM Post #10 |
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I could have sworn the Willamettes had been phased out with the 423 boards...but you're right, Evasive. After some checking on the web, I see that for a short time the Willamette core was retooled to fit the early 478 boards. Kinda like the Pent 4E Prescotts. Very short lived. I suppose I missed the 478 Willamettes back in the day, 'cause I was runnin' an AMD at the time. :rolleyes:
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is ... the closer the transistors are, the faster the electrical impulses can complete a trip through the core. Another benefit is physical size. You can pack more transistors into a 90nm core than you can a 130nm core of the same dimensions.
I heard Intel was completely phasing out the P4 chips later this year (socket 478?). Mind you, there should be plenty of 478 Celerons, produced for the economy class boxes. Dunno about the Pents though. Doesn't look promising for those of us with this platform...
Still, it could be worse. I've had my P4 running since '03 and only now are they being phased out. I might have invested in that X2 box I've been wanting to build...ironic that the P4s and socket 939 should be going away in the same year...or is it??? <_< 
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