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Problems geting ASUS GeForce2 vid card to work!; Need Help!
Topic Started: Dec 4 2003, 08:33 PM (836 Views)
dhartles
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About 9 months ago I upgraded the nVidia 8MB AGP vid card that came with my eMonster 550 with an Xtasy 64MB PCI vid card (before I understod diff. between AGP and PCI). Now that I've learned to move my vid card back to AGP slot I bought an ASUS V7100 Pro 64 (GeForce2 MX-400). Put it in, installed the drivers, but my system locks after about 10-15 minutes (tooling around in windows), or it locks up immediatley when I launch a more graphics intensive app (like a game or gmax).

I went ot the AMI BIOS and made sure that the AGP slot was the primary video choice. I know that the ASUS card requires 3.3V, but I'm not sure what voltage the AGP slot on the Napoli-2 has.

At this point I'm not sure if I have a driver issue, or possible a lack of power issue (still using 120W original PSU). BTW I'm running the PowerLeap 1.4Ghz upgrade, so I'm not sure how much more pwer that is pulling on the PSU vs. the original PIII 550Mhz.

I'm running Win98, DirectX 9.1, and I've flashed the AMI BIOS to 1.13. The ASUS card came with a CD the loaded it's own drivers as well as new VGARTD drivers.

If anyone can point me in the right direction...

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Dave

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It could be a power issue, but first I would make sure ALL of the old video drivers have been uninstalled, boot to safe made and make sure you have no "ghost" entries in Display Adapters in the Device Manager. Delete them if any show up, then reinstall your new drivers.
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Update...I did veryify that the only driver left was the new driver for the ASUS AGP card. system still locked up. However, I set Hardware Acceleration from full to none, and the system doesn't lock up anymore, but games run REAL slow. I tried bumping hardware acceleration from level 0 to level 1, games would load and play, but still way slow. Then I bumped up to level 2, games would load, but as soon as they finished loading, they froze.

So I'm not sure what that means, but I'm inferring that as I put more strain on the video card by increasing the amount of hardware acceleration, that the video card is requiring more power. Once it reaches a certain level the PSU has no more power to give, and boom, it locks up.

If anyone has another idea, please let me know.

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Dave

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Just a thought....what kind of RAM is the card using, is it DDR..if so maybe that is the cause. I think some of the older systems have problems with DDR on video cards.
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dhartles
Dec 4 2003, 10:41 PM
Update...I did veryify that the only driver left was the new driver for the ASUS AGP card. system still locked up. However, I set Hardware Acceleration from full to none, and the system doesn't lock up anymore, but games run REAL slow. I tried bumping hardware acceleration from level 0 to level 1, games would load and play, but still way slow. Then I bumped up to level 2, games would load, but as soon as they finished loading, they froze.

So I'm not sure what that means, but I'm inferring that as I put more strain on the video card by increasing the amount of hardware acceleration, that the video card is requiring more power. Once it reaches a certain level the PSU has no more power to give, and boom, it locks up.

If anyone has another idea, please let me know.

Thanks,
Dave

This leads me to believe it is a power issue.... when you turn hardware acc off and basically turn the video card into a dummy device between the monitor and the cpu you remove all of the strain from the video card as all the hardwork is placed on the CPU and the video card is only sending that info to the monitor.

With hardware acc set to "1" the cpu is still doing like 80% of the work so the video card is doing very little.

When pushed to "2" the cpu is now only doing 60% of the work so much more stress is being put on the card and in turn it requires more power.

My first recomendation is a new power supply.
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I verified that it does have SDR and not DDR. Thanks for the thought though!

Thanks,
Dave
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Ya know I'm getting my threads mixed up. I thought you had already replaced the PSU, but after reading enigmas post I reread your original and see that you have the original crappy 120 w PSU. So with that in mind I concure with enigma!
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Thanks enigma, taz. I have that gut feeling that it's a PSU issue as well. I'm gonna put an order in now for a new one. I was looking at some 250w microATX PSU's. Should that be sufficient. Or do you think I should splurge an jsut get a whole new case with a 300w alreay installed?

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The 250 should do you fine, Plus with a new case you have to get the pinouts and modify your connectors to make thins function properly.
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Update....went to the local PC shop at lunch and bought a new microATX PSU, will try to put in in tonight. Only problem is the highest wattage they had was 180w. I'm hoping that will be enough. If not, I'll take it back and buy a 250w on-line. I just wanted somehting I could try tonight, and didn't want to pay $50.00 frieght for overnight fees!

BTW..since this is an eMachines replacement PSU, there aren't and 'gotchas' I need to be aware of are there? Like changing jumper settings on the mobo for a higher wattge PSU ???

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Dave
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dhartles,
I added in the LINKS,LINKS & MORE LINKS Forum a link to a PSU Calculator. Check it out and see how large of a PSU it says you need and let us know if you think it's correct. Thanks

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BTW..since this is an eMachines replacement PSU, there aren't and 'gotchas' I need to be aware of are there? Like changing jumper settings on the mobo for a higher wattge PSU ???

I doubt it. I've never read anything like that.
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Lubner10,

I just tried your PSU calculator. Very clever, indeed! Great utility and really useful to realize that it does not suffice to add hardware on and on, the PSU must also be able to breathe!

Thanks for that precious file, and a valuable addition for TD25x's e4all site.

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Just wanted to add that i have a 140 watt power supple with a radeon 7000 64mb DDR wich is working fine ...I have many things hooked to my computer and ive added so many components to the motherboard.....There is also a program that u can OVERclock your video card ...that being said you can also Underclock it...i would try fooling around with thisPower Strip It will probly help try toning down your video clock speed and memory speed it may help ...it will also may tell you what the problem is with your video card and why it is locking up


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nice little program...i'm going to put a post in the links section so everyone can see it easier. thanks for the link! oh yeah and you planning on closing that [color] tag in your sig any time soon? :P

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oh yeah and you planning on closing that [color] tag in your sig any time soon? :P

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LMAO!...I was wondering the same thing....
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Update..OK I just got to install a new PSU this morning. Unfortunatley I could only get a 180w here in town, but I figured I'd try it and if it didn't work, I'd take it back and get a 250w on-line.

Installed the 180w(2 minutes), but system still locked up when Hardware Acceleration was set at 2 or higher (on 0-3 scale) on the AGP vid card. Dang! So then I started doing some tests. Had all items plugged up to PSU and tried launching certain game 3 times, charted at what point game locked up. Then disconnected everything I could from PSU (floppy, modem, etc) to try to reduce load on PSU. Launched same game 3 times, and charted when it locked up (trying to see if more available wattage from PSU helped vid card).

There were no consistent paterns in the results. So then I went ot the Wattage requirements web-page that lubner posted (Thanks, BTW) definetly a handy site that I'll be using again when I try to build my own system (wish me luck, I figure it'll be the best way to learn). But I digress...

Lubner's page said my systems max power requirements should be ~200w at peak. Then I thought, dang, the 180w should be able to run everything. However, Lubner's page had only 30w (I believe) for 'normal' processor. And I thought, maybe the Powerleap has more than 'normal' wattage requirements. Pulled out the quick start guide that came with the Powerleap...and there it was...under troubleshooting tips....number 6..."users with the Intel 440BX Chipset should NOT use AGP video acceleration, only PCI" (no explanation).

And what does daddy have........440BX.......Dang! I mean really!

Again guys, thanks for all you help. If nothing else we got a couple of good additions for the links section.

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Dave

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Pulled out the quick start guide that came with the Powerleap...and there it was...under troubleshooting tips....number 6..."users with the Intel 440BX Chipset should NOT use AGP video acceleration, only PCI" (no explanation).


Dave,
I don't recall anyone posting that they had to remove there AGP Vidoe Card to get the PowerLeap to work. Maybe it's the card itself. Did you try to reinstall the original card to see if system runs stable with it in? :unsure:
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Weird... as every other napoli-2 powerleap upgrade people have keep their AGP cards with hardware acceleration turned all the way on. TD uses an AGP GeForce3 Ti500 in his. If its not power then maybe it is just the card after all.
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