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ATI Radeon 7500 install; can't get 'er to behave
Topic Started: Oct 29 2003, 10:54 PM (838 Views)
bemused
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I've done a bit of looking around the site, and think I may have already found my answer, but could use a bit of a prod from y'all experts here.

I have an eMonster 600 that I'm trying to replace the original nVidia Vanta AGP video card w/ an ATI Radeon 7500 card. Surprise, surprise... w/ the new card installed, system hangs on initial start up w/ a blank screen. Reinstall OEM card, no sweat. Made sure the BIOS is looking for a PCI card first, to no avail.

After browsing in here for a bit, I'm beginning to believe that my problem is either a.) outdated or corrupt BIOS, b.) insufficient power, or c.) some kinda incompatibility that I'm not smart enough to figure out yet.

After all the dire warnings, I'm semi-terrified of flashing the BIOS... but, as long as I don't have a blonde moment and kill power to the system during the flash, is there any other problem I oughta be aware of?

I've upgraded my power supply to a PC Power and Cooling Turbo-Cool 180SFX some time ago. I'm guessing that I've got 180W on tap now... should that be enough to rule out low power as the culprit?

Any help to cut through my current confusion and angst will be greatly appreciated.

OH, and... nice to find you lot. Somehow, I don't feel as alone anymore...
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td25x
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Yep this is a known problem using ATI's on the Napoli-2's. And you are correct that a bios upgrade is in order. Use na2_113s.zip (V1.13) found here. Be sure to read the "readme".

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TJSEVEN
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bemused
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wow! :D
thanx! :)

coupla more questions, now:

- how can I tell if my MB is Napoli 2 or Napoli 2a? does it even matter?

- I keep dead-ending @ "this file cannot be leeched" messages... for example, when I clicked the "download this file" link in "how to get a Bootup Command Prompt" page. wassup with that?

- when I check the floppy w/ my backup OEM BIOS on another computer, what file will I be looking for on the disk?

- once I've upgraded the BIOS, are there any other changes I'll need to make? or will it be a relatively transparent upgrade?

thanx again, I'm impressed w/ the speed and savvy of the answers I've gotten already. think I'm gonna like it here...
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lubner10
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Couldn't he also use he napoli2_2.zip incase he would like to upgrade cpu to the PowerLeap PL-ip3/t 1.4 celeron later.
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td25x
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-how can I tell if my MB is Napoli 2 or Napoli 2a? does it even matter?


Doesn't matter...its mainly an audio chip difference

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- I keep dead-ending @ "this file cannot be leeched" messages... for example, when I clicked the "download this file" link in "how to get a Bootup Command Prompt" page. wassup with that?


Beats me....its working on my end. You will receive leeching errors if you are trying to download a file using Download Accelerators/Managers and Zone Alarm Pro 4.0. and/or if you are trying to download from the server855.gisol.com domain. Turn them off and make sure the page you are downloading from is e4all.info domain.

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- when I check the floppy w/ my backup OEM BIOS on another computer, what file will I be looking for on the disk?


Whatever you named the file to

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- once I've upgraded the BIOS, are there any other changes I'll need to make? or will it be a relatively transparent upgrade?


You may have to go into setup, but you want have to change any thing. V1.13 does add a small over-clock function

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thanx again, I'm impressed w/ the speed and savvy of the answers I've gotten already. think I'm gonna like it here...


We like it too! :D
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td25x
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lubner10
Oct 29 2003, 10:38 PM
Couldn't he also use he napoli2_2.zip incase he would like to upgrade cpu to the PowerLeap PL-ip3/t 1.4 celeron later.

He could, but I don't think nobody has posted how well it works or don't work on a non-Powerleaped upgrade
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lubner10
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- how can I tell if my MB is Napoli 2 or Napoli 2a? does it even matter?

Does not matter.

- I keep dead-ending @ "this file cannot be leeched" messages... for example, when I clicked the "download this file" link in "how to get a Bootup Command Prompt" page. wassup with that?

I just tried and it worked for me. I'll try to email them to you.

- when I check the floppy w/ my backup OEM BIOS on another computer, what file will I be looking for on the disk?

What ever you name the old bios (oldbois.rom)

- once I've upgraded the BIOS, are there any other changes I'll need to make? or will it be a relatively transparent upgrade?

Should be pretty much the same. Double check setting now and write them down before upgrading incase you need to reset anything after.
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td25x
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lubner10
Oct 29 2003, 11:05 PM
- how can I tell if my MB is Napoli 2 or Napoli 2a? does it even matter?

Does not matter.

- I keep dead-ending @ "this file cannot be leeched" messages... for example, when I clicked the "download this file" link in "how to get a Bootup Command Prompt" page. wassup with that?

I just tried and it worked for me. I'll try to email them to you.

- when I check the floppy w/ my backup OEM BIOS on another computer, what file will I be looking for on the disk?

What ever you name the old bios (oldbois.rom)

- once I've upgraded the BIOS, are there any other changes I'll need to make? or will it be a relatively transparent upgrade?

Should be pretty much the same. Double check setting now and write them down before upgrading incase you need to reset anything after.

Damn lubner, you would have thought we wrote each others response!
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lubner10
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Great minds think alike :lol:
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TJSEVEN
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I didn't know you two guys were the same person.I'll have to ban one of you!! :o
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AMD Athlon 64 X2 4400+ Toledo Core 2MB L2 cache S939
Overclocked to something or other this week!
ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 MOBO
(3 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 1 PCI-E x16, 1 AGP, 1 Future CPU Port, 4 DDR DIMM, Audio, LAN)
4 Gig G.SKILL PC3200 DUAL DDR SDRAM
and other Stuff....!
ZOOM>>>ZOOM>>>

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lubner10
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;) I think I'm going to lose on this deal
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fishguylee
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I have a Radeon 7000 and had to flash to 1.13 BIOS to aviod a black screen and BIOS beep code for no video card.

(Aside) I ran the 1.13 (Napoli2_2) BIOS with my 600 for a day with no ill effects (waiting for UPS to deliver the powerleap)...
After running with the Powerleap, I have swapped it out with the 600 to do some benchmarking and everything was smooth...
I don't remember if Gyaian had to remove any existing CPU's from the BIOS to add the Tualatin to the list...

But, I'd say the regular flavor of 1.13 is the safest bet... better safest, than sorriest?? :huh:
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lubner10
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Ya, I though in the old group there was someone who used the modified bois before buying the PL-ip3/t incase they ruined there board.

I wasn't sure. :huh:
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Grizzly
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Hmmm ok well I guess I need to go figure out that Korean junk again, The ATI card problems was fixed in version 1.08 IIRC...
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td25x
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I was looking through a "junk" folder and found this post from the old site:


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Message 14135 of 18591 

From:  "vic_32meg486 <vic_32meg486@yahoo.ca>" <vic_32meg486@yahoo.ca>
Date:  Sat Feb 15, 2003  1:00 pm
Subject:  Microcode and Napoli-2-Tualatin Combination



Probably most of you (who have a Napoli-2, otherwise you probably
wouldn't care anyways) have taken a look at the Powerleap-hacked BIOS
method of using the Tualatin. Well, at first it seems pretty sound (I
thought it was pretty cool... maybe if the Celeron doesn't work I
would just have to change a few bytes in the BIOS and reflash), but
there seems to be a problem, and that is the microcode itself.

Now, I'm no expert, but all that the customized BIOS has done is
change the header so that the date, revision, etc. refers to the
Tualatin info. It doesn't look like any of the other microcode
information was modified. In fact, comparing the micro.bin extracted
from that bios and the micro.bin extracted from the original 1.13
file, the only differences in the files are a few modified bytes,
where the information for date, revision, CPUID, etc is stored. So
technically the BIOS would load the wrong microcode for an installed
Tualatin CPU. That might cause some unexpected behaviour, I don't
know. Any suggestions anyone? Anyone have a more detailed idea of
what microcode does than that it fixes CPU errata?

Other AMI BIOS files that are floating around on the internet seem to
have microcode that is similar to that of the Napoli-2, in that the
microcode segments for each CPUID are identical (assuming revision
number is the same, of course). So, it should theoretically be
possible to splice the microcode sections from a Tualatin-enabled
BIOS into the Napoli-2 BIOS (or add all the Coppermine CPUID
microcode). Not that I condone hacking BIOS files (cough, cough)...

And then comes the whole conspiracy theory: Is Intel (or the
motherboard manufacturer) forcing users to upgrade through this
microcode system? If the Tualatin didn't work simply because of the
lack of microcode (excluding the pinouts, voltage, etc.), then what
about Coppermines with different CPUID values from those found in
BIOS? I haven't heard that many failure stories about P3 Coppermine
upgrades. If the 1.11, 1.12, and 1.13 version BIOS files all have
code for 681 and 683 (and 686 for 1.12) CPUID's, then what about 68A
(800 - 1 GHz Celerons, a few FC-PGA PIII's)? Can it be expected that
they won't be recognized at all? Have all of these successful P3
upgrades been using Slot 1 CPU's? So many questions...

Interesting note: The v1.12 bios file seems to have included
microcode support for the 686 Coppermine, yet the 1.13 doesn't...
Just a tidbit of info I thought was kinda strange.

And there is my two cents worth. I don't mean to debase the original
idea (I wouldn't ever have thought of that one)... it still remains a
good idea nonetheless.

vic_32meg486
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bemused
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wonder of wonders... I actually got a reply back from my query to eMachines tech support. they said that the issue w/ the ATI cards on the Napoli boards sprung from the Hydravision multi-display capability of the video cards not being supported by the (original) BIOS.

I figure everyone else here already knew that... but I was pleased to find out why I was having the problem, in addition to the answer as to how to fix it I got from y'all...
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bemused
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help!

finally got the time to attempt the BIOS flash to v1.13, went to download the new BIOS, and got...

The file cannot be leeched
The file you are looking for has been protected from bandwidth thieves like you.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please try the following:

The only way to obtain this file is to download it from the Web site it originates from.

Open the www.e4all.info home page, and then look for links to the information you want.
Click the Back button to try another link.
HTTP 666 - File not leechable
Internet Information Services


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Technical Information (for support personnel)

If all else fails, open a DOS prompt and type in "format C:"
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

tried it from the link earlier in this thread, tried it from the e4all page... same thing, both times.

how can I get this thang? :huh:


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td25x
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bemused
Nov 2 2003, 04:15 PM
how can I get this thang?  :huh:

The link is working fine from here

http://www.e4all.info/motherboards/napoli2_downloads.htm

You will receive leeching errors if you are trying to download a file using Download Accelerators/Managers and Zone Alarm Pro 4.0+

or you can get it from here:

http://www.elhvb.com/mboards/TriGem/bios/NAPOLI2/index.html
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bemused
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I'm afraid I don't have a clue about:

Download Accelerators/Managers and Zone Alarm Pro 4.0+

is it possible I have 'em installed w/out knowing it? wouldn't think so... they look like discrete programs...

gonna try the other link you gave, cross your fingers for me... ;)

I'm guessing the one I'm after is "na2_113s.exe", right?
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