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People That Run From Police Should Expect Pain
Topic Started: Feb 28 2007, 06:14 AM (235 Views)
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Recently in San Jose, CA, a perp was awarded money for running from police crashing his car and being paralyzed after the pursuing officer shot him. I say the legal system needs to stop making our peace officers feel like they gotta take baby steps when dealing with dangerous criminals. I feel its because people that have regular jobs or sit in a courtroom all day dont know what its like to be actually in action on the streets.

I seriously think there is no good reason to run from police unless you are doing something bad, and people that run should expect to be hurt or even forfeit their life. Cops actually treat you with respect and dignity if you stop and cooperate in my experiences with them. I've been let off for minor stuff just cuz I cooperated and treated the officer with repsect.

And dont even get me started on the border patrol agents who are in jail now for shooting a drug smuggler.

What is wrong with our system? :angry:
 
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Glad to see someone agrees with me on this one. The entire thing is a complete load of BS. Now we all know good and well that I avoid political issues like the plague, but while doing Counter Drug Ops when I was in the Navy, there were a few occassions where we'd find someone had a gun when the captain of a boat had told us there were no weapons on his boat and that none of his people were armed. For our safety we'd restrain the guy and detain the rest of the crew, and then we'd get berated for it later, for violating their rights.

Same instance, basically. A cop goes out, does his job, someone breaks the law, something goes wrong in the takedown, and the cops are made to look like the villains. This is why no one with a sense of dignity wants to be a cop anymore. Instead all you get is rookies that aim to act like rookies their entire careers. Case in point, Dallas PD in Dallas, Texas. An, back me up on this one.

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I can see the suspect running. In some cases, the consequences of dealing with the cop make it worth the risk of running. This is not a defense of the suspect, or their crimes mind you. But, it does make sense that they run.

The suspect in VC's post endangered any number of people by leading a chase around a city. There is no reason at all to pay them. This does not even fit in with "tainted evidence" rules.

The idea there, of course, is that police cannot use evidence that was acquired illegally, even if it is accurate and needed for a case. The rational here is to discourage police from taking procedural liberties.


Jim, I did not know you did counter-drug ops. (I knew you were a vet, but not the exact nature of what you did.) In all seriousness, we should confer on this, purely for my own curiosity.

Ironically, the captains of some of those boats were probably as taken aback as you were about the gun. Of course, you have to take precautions. After all, you found a suprise gun, and were justifiably twitchy.

Cops get it from both ends of the spectrum. The left, (generically), cries "oppression" when they see the police. The right, (generically), sees police as an instrument of over-regulation. ("Regulation" and "oppression" can arguably be interchanged.)


I have met dirt-bag cops. But, I have met far more who were legitimately doing there jobs.



Getting back to the main point of the thread:

The greatest weakness of the public sector is an unwillingness to make an intellectual and moral distinction based on a person's actions. Somebody who leads the cops on a merry, and dangerous, chase, and winds up getting shot by the police should not be walking away with any settlement money. If nothing else, the state has more important things to spend its money, (collected from citizens), on.





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WWCD
Feb 28 2007, 06:35 AM

... This is why no one with a sense of dignity wants to be a cop anymore. Instead all you get is rookies that aim to act like rookies their entire careers. Case in point, Dallas PD in Dallas, Texas. An, back me up on this one. ... ...



This may have been the reason why I found the urge to resist in jumping on Viper Commander's band wagon earlier this morning after I got off of work. But I didn't wanna go all out full blasting til I at least heard some of your views...

For me, personally, I disagree to a certain extent. While I'd love to think that all authority-type figures are out to do the better good of humanity and society all together, but there's just been way too many issues and past events that have taken place creating a blemish on the overall good of authority and law enforcement figures. Not to go and say that there's not a few good men and women out there who choose this career path or anything...

There's just way too many instances where Cops have really screwed up making the public see it differently. And when there's something that does goes down and is rightfully the law enforcement's fault, it's on the news in less than an hour! Anything such as this, puts a really awful distaste in the public eye's mouth, and probably is the main reason why people are soOo quick to jump at the cops for being the vigilantes and wrong-doers and such...

A LA, the Rodney King beating, the numerous of Garland Cops here running the red light @ 80MPH (seen it with me own eyes) where later it's on the news that these types of privelidge-abusing cops would get into a firey wreck with an innocent by-stander who was driving safely, and even from personal experience... when I made a drive out to New Orleans, and the fact that I got pulled over and was harassed and felt like I was being discriminated against from a punk, white-supremesist cop who pulled myself out of the car interrogating me and searching me physically for "drugs and weapons" while my friend Michelle and Tyler sat in the car, avoiding the humiliation because of what I felt like, them being white and caucasion and all...

I know there have been some mischiefs by myself, but for the most part the law enforcement and public authorities have been depicted as being "pigs" and have been displayed abusing their authoritative positions, harming the public and doing injustice while there's probably bigger and greater things they could be doing, instead of giving someone a traffic ticket for not having a license plate in the front of your vehicle or just having a headlight go out and you not evening knowing it...

Garland has really ruined the way I see police men and women. I've been targeted a lot growing up in a very unfortunate, poverty-stricken and government furnished homes back in high school and still remember when the local cops here in Garland would roam Walnut St. camping and hiding out for the next mexican or vietnamese person to pull out of my old neighborhood so they can issue them a citation with almost a 100% gaurantee that they'll find something wrong with the motorist that's driving out of my apartment and living quarters...

Dominic Guglieme
Feb 28 2007, 12:00 PM

... The greatest weakness of the public sector is an unwillingness to make an intellectual and moral distinction based on a person's actions. ... ...



The same could very well be said of cops, police or any type of authoritive figures...

But regardless, I still try to respect those in law enforcement, IFFF in that regard, having shown that same amount of respect back towards the American citizen who tries the honorable and correct thing... -_-

And Jim, in response to what you said... they must have thought that they needed QUANTITY vs. QUALITY, and probably been showing the "you can be brave, handle a gun and put-away criminals behind bar for years" video when those soon-to-be rookies eventually signed up to be a Dallas policemen... LOL

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Police and fire are more executive than legistlative. Thus, the failure to make a moral distinction still rests on the law- and policy-makers, more than the ones carrying the law out.

This is not an excuse for excessive force, or flaunting the law, (as with the cops in the example above), but I was saying something a bit different than how you read it.

I was saying that the public sector is unwilling to make moral distinctions at a basic level when it comes to making rules, not just enforcing said rules.

For example, the law considers being under the influence of drugs/alchohol to be a mitigating factor in criminal matters, despite the fact that said influence is a voluntary state (one takes drugs/alchohol by choice), and may even be a crime unto itself.

Or, to use the specific example VC posted, the public sector treats somebody injured while deliverately violating public law as worthy of the public's help.



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Feb 28 2007, 03:09 PM

... This is not an excuse for excessive force, or flaunting the law, (as with the cops in the example above), but I was saying something a bit different than how you read it. ...



You'll have to forgive me Dom, as I am a RETARD... when it comes to these political issues and such. I consider myself "handicap" when it comes to these types of discussions, as I've struggled getting away from being in the minority having grown up in poverty and dead-beat neighborhoods, over run with drugs and domestic violence...

It's not an excuse for my reasoning or my haste response though, it's just that I guess this is what I know and all I know from personal, 1st-hand encounters and experiences with the law. Jim knows, as I've told him about some of my stupidity and mindless acts in public... LOL

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Well...I for one and just tired of the damn corruption here.

Case in point... A local teacher here is on trial for multiple charges, basically...he had a video camera set up in the girl's locker room, and one girl came forward to say that he even touched her inappropriately (it was very inappropriate, use your imagination). All the evidence was there...the cops searched his home, found the tapes and got the testimony of the girl. Now...he is pleading guilty...but in today's paper they tell us that before they sentence him...they are going to investigate his past - not to find the bad, but to find the good - and that he may not even serve any jail time.

Get pulled over for a DUI here...and you are locked up. No "hey, lets see if this guy just made a mistake..lets look into his background a bit"...its LOCK HIM UP.

The Law here is goofy. A person, trusted with molding the minds of young people...abuses that trust...and abuses the kids, and may go free? Guess it helps that his brother was the former police chief...so yeah, lets give him a break.

Bull$hit.
 
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we now have a new law if the cops come up to you and you run they can toss you in jail for running a way from them.
 
Dominic Guglieme
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The penalty for running likely has its logic in preventing people from running and later claiming some kind of ignorance.


The situation with the teacher sounds like pedophilia and sexual assault more than "innappropriate touching."


I have seen corrupt cities. But, nothing like that. Assuming the charges are accurate, hat teacher should be locked away.


Still, I cannot fault harsh penalties for DUI. I wish more places treated it more harshly.
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It sounds like how people feel about police has very much to do with where they live and life experiences growing up.

While I realize that there are dirty cops out there, I believe most are out there to do the right thing. Still, I can respect other's opinions on the matter.
 
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