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An Open Letter to Magello
Topic Started: Sep 25 2013, 12:31 AM (383 Views)
Machaeus
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Magello -

It has come to my attention that you have been at the center of three arguments in the past two weeks/month. This will stop immediately or you will be treated as any other troll would and SHOULD be treated – killed with fire and extreme prejudice. In other words, banned.

Perhaps I should make my position clearer.

Over these arguments, you have stood by a position I have found alien and indefensible. I am certain mine is the same to you.

Here's the problem from my perspective: I have twice now asked Acclue for his opinion on these matters – as to whether I was being retarded or just plain being a dick. I just asked again. The first two times, the answer was "no". The third time got me the answer of "no". Each time he has also told me you've been being a bit of a dick. Sounds less like a coincidence and more like a pattern to me.

Perhaps I am simply too easily aggravated (duh). Perhaps it's your attempts to spark arguments with such ferocity that Enemy and Whyerd's days of shadow-war spats are put to shame. Perhaps it's the tone you seem to have in your words, that you have an adamantine wall in front of yourself and no one can move it save God; maybe not even Him. This is the main reason I feel like arguing with you is useless, and the fact that you seemingly enjoy arguing is even more alien than your arguments.

Perhaps you don't realize that shooting people down the second they come out the gate is pretty fucking cheap. Why do you think I try to be gentle in my demeanor? Because despite that dumb-ass saying, words will totally break a person in two faster than almost ANY stick or stone.

Yes, I am biased. Yes, we're all biased. What the flying foccacia fuck is wrong with hating something for being biased and having a public platform to spread it upon? I hate televangelists for the same reason. I hate WBC, I hate all television "news" medias, and I hate the government, all for the same reason. And you're telling me that's unjust?

"As the exasperated Chinese zookeeper said to the last male panda in the world, 'FUCK THAT!'" ~ Zero Punctuation.

I am not going to tell you you're wrong anymore. I am going to tell you that the next time this happens, assuming it happens AT ALL this October, you are banned. No questions, no apologies. I don't want to do this, but I will if I feel I have to one more time. Each time you've been in an argument, I've held back my hammer. I will not a fourth time.

~Machaeus
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Dear Mach,

See, I was planning on coming in here and protesting my innocence and laying out, as is my way, reasonable and logical objections to each of your points, offer counter arguments to the more salient issues and then tie it all together with a rousing closer.

It was midway through analysis of your opinion and careful study on my rebuttals that I can to a quite shocking conclusion.

It doesn't matter what I say.

You're a child. You're sensitive and haven't had a chance to form a skin. You've never been hated or spat on or shot at or watched anyone die to true, actual hatred. You take what is nothing more than casual ribbing, no different from any that I've given or received in six years of military service, and apply some sort of malicious intent to it.

There's no malice in anything I say or do. When I think you're wrong, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to offer my points on the subject. I'm going to do this as thoroughly as I prepare reports for my upper chain of command about why I need to shut these valves and open these lines because if I don't, I or one of my people will die.

You haven't been hardened by that kind of responsibility. You can't tell what is real and matters and what won't kill you and doesn't matter. You were hurt by my words, and you've decided to react to a nothing pain by lashing out.

I don't mind. I'm not particularly ruffled by your anger or condemnation.

I do find it remarkable that all these arguments have been with you, save this last one which was with a third person until you stepped up, and are irritating you and therefore you find it necessary to ban me for the good of everyone. In point of fact, I find it odd that you intend to ban me from the forum entire wherein, until now, I was entirely contained in one RP and an RP idea. By any rational thinking, banning me from the IRC is all that is necessary to end the arguments.

But it's not about the arguments, it's about how much you dislike me and want me and all trace of me gone. Poor form, really. I was enjoying my space adventure.

I understand. I'm not mad. And I forgive you. I wish you well, and I wish you to form the skin that all functional adults- not menchildren, adults- have.

V/R,
Magello ~<3
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Whyerd Neighme
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I request that other mods or admin address this letter, even deleting it. That Mach should have no power or control in the results of consequences and actions of this. This is a matter of PRIVATE discussion where no one else on the site should see or be dragged into. And if Magello had done a bannable offense, Mach should should face the same, especially for this open attack. Stop being passive-aggressive and back-talking out where everyone can read it.

From what I learn from a friend, I want to declare that a new rule be added to the site. The BACON rule. When a situation get controversial and either someone is irritated, uncomfortable, or scared of the current subject, they can call BACON. When BACON is evoked, the current subject must be dropped. No more talking about the subject. If someone does, they take to PRIVATE with the other user(s) that want to continue. Dropping it includes NO back-talk, passive-aggressive behavior, call backs, calling out, bring the subject again, and shaming what role the other user(s) had in it or what they did! The PUBLIC chat is for PUBLIC use. Most of us live in the United States, but free speech should be revoked if deemed harmful, provoking, alienating, discriminatory, abusive, harassing, insulting, threatening, or just is ruin everyone else's day. IT should be a fun and inviting place for us to relax and take a break from the real world. When real world issues are brought up, the subject should be cool with everybody and no one butting heads. We don't need to scare or fight people off just because we can't be mature in realizing when we should drop something. If you want to start on controversial subjects which you need your opinion validated instead of challenged or debated upon, go find another forum for that.
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Okay, I've had enough of this. I asked to be left out of it, but I guess I'm part of it now. Whatever. I'm done being too shy to have a voice in what are apparently becoming the 'politics' of this site. I'm tired of being used too. I'm also SUPPOSED to be the acting head admin... so it's about time I actually went about performing that duty.

Mach, you're dragging things out and waging war against someone who doesn't care to deal with a straight discussion. Don't feed the trolls so to speak. I told you I didn't want to be a part of this and you're putting it in anyway as well, so here I am. I'm not taking your side in this in the least, I'm offering an objective viewpoint and Magello is just as open to me at the moment for being the 'right' one here as you are. You're also threatening to ban someone over personal feelings. I feel that ban control over someone that YOU are having an argument with is a blatant abuse of power. If you ban anyone for personal reasons without discussing it properly with the other admins, I'll have to take away the admin powers you have.

Magello, personally, I think that you're being a passive-aggressive insensitive asshole. You really are to me. It's cool if you do that with your friends elsewhere, my gaming friends are all complete jerks to each other and we couldn't be closer, but if someone is clearly legitimately put off by it, don't keep doing it! I would think you were an alright guy in this if you'd just taken a hint and stopped harassing before things got out of hand, or at least stopped once things had gone too far. No one cares how 'hard' you are from your past experiences and bringing it up here makes you look really petty. I have a lot of respect for someone who's helped protect people in the armed forces too, but when you throw it around going "look what I do!" like you have been, that respect goes away pretty quick. If you can't handle that other people have feelings, that's too bad. Especially someone who can't control their emotions as well as you apparently can. Especially because I'm almost certain you know about Mach's condition. It "doesn't matter what you say" because you can't make Mach believe your point of view by force instead of just offering your side of something. So stop trying to make yourself the 'better man' at this point because it makes you look like a bigger dick. I also hate to invoke the seniority rule because it should have no bearing at all here, but Mach has been around much longer than you have and he's an admin for a reason; I'm not going to lie, I'd REALLY rather side with Mach because he's been a good friend for a long time and I personally don't agree with a lot of your views, but that really has no bearing in this argument, it's just something you should be aware of, that you aren't making the people around you happy by shoving your own ideals down others' throats... and personally, I really don't WANT to be on your side, but I'm choosing to remain neutral here.

I'm fine with legitimate discussions between people here, that's cool, you get to see from different viewpoints and come to agreements, maybe come out wiser in the end or help someone see your points, but when things go down to a screaming match between two people who simply say "I'm right" or even worse, making personal attacks, things need to be taken care of. Don't deny it, that's exactly what's going on here.

I also don't want the forum to grow any sort of fear that we're going to invoke any complicated rules that could easily get you into trouble. As it stands, the only rule should be "Don't be a dick." but that's apparently not enough. I'm going to have to propose adding one here and hope that it doesn't infringe too greatly on others' experiences.

If I see ANY of these shouting matches going on for extended periods in the chat any longer, I will tempban the offenders, ALL OF THEM, NO SIDING NO MATTER WHAT I FEEL PERSONALLY until they've cooled off. If you want to have a discussion, go right ahead. If you want to have an argument, resolve it quickly or bring it to a private chat. If you won't, you can't use the public chat until your fight is over in your private chat.

As of now, no one is in any official trouble, so let's try to keep it that way.

No one wants to be part of your little wars, so stop dragging them into it.
Acclue: "Stupid brownout -.-"
Lifon: "Sorry Clue D:"
Acclue: "What, did you blow up a transformer or something? :P"
Fisk: "Damn you lifon stop blowing up our powerplants *Shakes fist*"
Lifon: "I'm heading to Sweden next! Your delicious power shall be mine! Muahahaha"

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Machaeus
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So I wanted to post this like 9 months ago. I didn't even realize up until now that I STILL hate Magello for, in essence, turning my friends against me by being an asshole and GETTING AWAY WITH IT.

Yes, that is how I saw it. Did anyone REALLY think I was suicidal the whole of that October, my lowest and LONGEST low in YEARS, for no fucking reason?

The reason I hated him is because he got away with being an asshole. I try not to be an asshole because in my opinion, assholes shouldn't get away with it. He not only got away with it, he reveled in it. And that is what I hated more than anything. I STILL hate it. He hurt me so deeply, in ways that he pretends he cannot possibly understand ("nothing pain"), and you ALL FELL FOR IT.

I'm still mad. Mad as hell. And I hate me for it, and I hate YOU for it, but more than anything I HATE HATE HATE Magello for it. It's like a dark version of the Sonic cartoons, where Robotnik is the guy dealing with serious issues and Sonic just comes along to masturbate them. "I HATE that hedgehog!"

So, with that out of the way, here's the reply I wrote. Read it all, please. I don't want anyone just bitching at me because I dragged out an old thread; it's more than a thread. It's a wound I have to finally try to heal.


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Maybe something needs to be said.

I'm an angry little monster. I know this. I always have been, despite two decades of trying NOT to be. Of turning it inwards, of directing it outwards, of failing to let it go.

You can attack me all you want for defending someone from an opening salvo that I saw as another trolling attempt. Fine. But don't pretend you're the good guy, when most likely none of us are - no matter how hard we might try.
Now, for something more solid.

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I request that other mods or admin address this letter, even deleting it. That Mach should have no power or control in the results of consequences and actions of this. This is a matter of PRIVATE discussion where no one else on the site should see or be dragged into. And if Magello had done a bannable offense, Mach should should face the same, especially for this open attack. Stop being passive-aggressive and back-talking out where everyone can read it.


Fisk makes an offhand comment. Magello tells him he's wrong to think that way. It gets out of hand as I try to defend his position, that I happen to agree with, when Fisk is quite frankly fragile of mentality – just as much as I am, but for radically different reasons. This happened in public chat. Exactly how is that passive-aggressive? Am I even more retarded than I think, or are you just trying to stick up for the guy without anyone else to defend him? Because he's proven himself just in this last post to be unruffled by my anger.

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It doesn't matter what I say.


Only after reading your letter, but yes. Congrats, you're a self-fulfilling prophet.

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You're a child. You're sensitive and haven't had a chance to form a skin. You've never been hated or spat on or shot at or watched anyone die to true, actual hatred. You take what is nothing more than casual ribbing, no different from any that I've given or received in six years of military service, and apply some sort of malicious intent to it.


Untrue, true, untrue on the hated portion and true on everything else, and true. And you know what? That doesn't make me a child, nor does it make you a man. Let me repeat that: being hateful and/or hated doesn't make you a man. How do I know this? I know I'm only an adult by legalities.

See, I know myself. I know who and what I am. And as much as I want to change things, I'm okay with who I am until I get depressed, at which point I can get suicidal. Thank God I'm too cowardly to do it.

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There's no malice in anything I say or do. When I think you're wrong, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to offer my points on the subject. I'm going to do this as thoroughly as I prepare reports for my upper chain of command about why I need to shut these valves and open these lines because if I don't, I or one of my people will die.

You haven't been hardened by that kind of responsibility. You can't tell what is real and matters and what won't kill you and doesn't matter. You were hurt by my words, and you've decided to react to a nothing pain by lashing out.


No malice? You're really going to pretend that? Malice isn't an "all-or-nothing" thing, from my experience. I hold mild, almost light, malice today. I didn't until I read your letter. I wake up every morning with a fresh view on the world. That's one of my most major blessings.

No, I haven't had life-or-death responsibility. And I don't plan to. Why? Because I know, for absolute certain, that I would buckle under that pressure. I know I'm a spineless little fuck, okay? What, you want me to announce it to everyone? Yeah, that'd go over really well. (That, incidentally, was a spike in rage, not malice.) I also like your choice of the words "nothing pain". You must not have read my letter very well.

Also, get this: I actually restrained, asked for help from Fisk, on trying to make this somewhat reasonable. Make sure it wasn't just an angry rant. Apparently he was hurt just as much.

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I don't mind. I'm not particularly ruffled by your anger or condemnation.


Finally, the first mature thing to come out of either of us this whole fucking argument!

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I do find it remarkable that all these arguments have been with you, save this last one which was with a third person until you stepped up, and are irritating you and therefore you find it necessary to ban me for the good of everyone. In point of fact, I find it odd that you intend to ban me from the forum entire wherein, until now, I was entirely contained in one RP and an RP idea. By any rational thinking, banning me from the IRC is all that is necessary to end the arguments.

But it's not about the arguments, it's about how much you dislike me and want me and all trace of me gone. Poor form, really. I was enjoying my space adventure.


And then you do this.

Okay first of all? I'm a horrible, HORRIBLE judge of character. And yet I can safely say that I am better at it than you, despite having Asperger's Syndrome. Do you have ANY idea how sad that is?

This isn't about dislike. To ban from the IRC would be to ban from the forums. Why? Because if you can't argue, you also can't inform that you've posted. My thoughts are simple: as few headaches as possible. No malice, no hate, just logic. I'd do the same to anyone that caused trouble. (Not that I have the power to ban you here anyways - I'm a mod, not an admin. Difference being power level.)

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That all said, I am OFFICIALLY resigning as Admin of the IRC. Because quite frankly, I have noticed that I HAVE been in explosive arguments in the past. I have tried to give up these powers before, but people have told me it's fine. Well, it's not. I've told you over and fucking over that I'm sick of having power that I could abuse at any time, that quite frankly I should never have had because I'm such a goddamn rageball.

If you ban me, I'll have problems, but I am giving up my powers as IRC Op. Period. End of discussion.


For nine months I restrained from defending myself. Fuck that. Anyone else wants to force me to not defend myself, they can go fuck a sock.

One last important thing...I know it is unhealthy to hold grudges. It's why generally, I don't. Until Mag, I could literally count 5 grudges in my entire life. I was proud to say "I can count the number of grudges I've ever held on one hand!"

Is it really any wonder why I hate him with more fervor than most might consider healthy?
Edited by Machaeus, Sep 7 2014, 05:51 PM.
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