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Pot of Duality Mass Release!
Topic Started: Jul 8 2011, 05:21 PM (523 Views)
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Do either of you understand card advantage at all?
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I was talking to CD about Dark Hole. Yes, I understand it quite well. I've played the game since it began. P: Like I said, if you're sitting there with 5 monsters on the field, you CLEARLY do not know card advantage. At the most, DH should be a 2 for 1, and since you've been conserving your cards, you'll have a backfield and a nice hand that will mean minimal damage from Dark Hole. I cannot say I have EVER lost a game because my opponent used Dark Hole. Think of it this way. Who has card advantage? Someone who summoned 5 monsters and has 0 or 1 card in his hand, then gets Dark Holed and left with nothing, or the player who had 1 or 2 monsters, and hadn't been throwing out his whole hand who gets Dark Holed, and still has plenty of moves he can make afterward? :P
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Jul 10 2011, 02:34 AM
I was talking to CD about Dark Hole. Yes, I understand it quite well. I've played the game since it began. P: Like I said, if you're sitting there with 5 monsters on the field, you CLEARLY do not know card advantage. At the most, DH should be a 2 for 1, and since you've been conserving your cards, you'll have a backfield and a nice hand that will mean minimal damage from Dark Hole. I cannot say I have EVER lost a game because my opponent used Dark Hole. Think of it this way. Who has card advantage? Someone who summoned 5 monsters and has 0 or 1 card in his hand, then gets Dark Holed and left with nothing, or the player who had 1 or 2 monsters, and hadn't been throwing out his whole hand who gets Dark Holed, and still has plenty of moves he can make afterward? :P
It often pays to swarm in for a quick kill. There is nothing wrong with swarming 4 or 5 monsters, X-sabers, Gravekeepers, Six-Sams, Light Sworns, and even the occasional Glad Beast is known for this. Almost all teir 1's swarm. Card advantage is not impacted by multiple summons, you are thinking of hand advantage, which is another concept all together. The cards that typically get banned are game changing cards that give card advantage with no price (not hand necessarily) like dark hole, heavy storm, raigeki, mirror force, pot of greed, etc, etc. Dark Hole is far more lethal than mirror force since it is a spell card and has the POTENTIAL to give a 5-1 at best. This does happen very often in high level tourneys.
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Jul 9 2011, 11:02 AM
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Jul 9 2011, 05:02 AM
I honestly think Dark Hole isn't broken at all. It's all about timing, for use when you're behind. It's not always useful.. I wouldn't put it above 1, obviously.. But definitely not ban-material.
Complete ban material, it is potential 5 for 1 with 0 cost... That's why it was banned for the vast majority of the advanced format.
If you run into a 5 for 1 dark hole, and take it, you are complete garbage. I rather like Dark Hole to prevent retarded over extension. CD I'd agree with you on Dark Hole being banned, formats ago, but now its too agressive to not have a potential field wipe. In my eyes reborn is sacker because you could play through everything they have only to have that clutch ripped reborn and end you right there for it. All I'll say is next time your opponent decides to play with himself and nut with Hyper lib, you won't be praying for Dark Hole banned, hell no you'll be thankful you have something to tear that all down, but you'll be wanting HL banned instead.

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I would have to agree, Reborn is what should be banned. But I guess they have to leave one "reborn" like spell unbanned. Premature can't be unbanned with Brionac legal, so Monster Reborn has to be. x:
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None of that doesn't mean that Dark Hole isn't broken. I agree in this format, there is so much other broken shit that dark hole acts like a weight to balance the seesaw. It's still a broken card, anyway you look at it.
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Well I'd rather have Heavy Storm, just my preference. Monsters are easy to deal with, I run Scraps. Backfield is the problem. 2 MSTs doesn't cut it. :/ Trunade is alright, but not amazing. In this format, we have no Heavy OR Cold Wave.. So gay.
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Jul 14 2011, 05:07 AM
Well I'd rather have Heavy Storm, just my preference. Monsters are easy to deal with, I run Scraps. Backfield is the problem. 2 MSTs doesn't cut it. :/ Trunade is alright, but not amazing. In this format, we have no Heavy OR Cold Wave.. So gay.
95% of people have NO IDEA how to run cold wave, it was always hilarious when they played it :lol:
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best to keep dark hole where its at now with the revealing of the third super rare yet one of the hardest to destroy monsters from sovr coming in it.
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Jul 14 2011, 09:17 PM
best to keep dark hole where its at now with the revealing of the third super rare yet one of the hardest to destroy monsters from sovr coming in it.
I agree, and I never meant to imply that dark hole should be banned, only that it is a broken card...which it is...
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Agent Angels will run the next format with Kristya now confirmed to be reprinted, gg.
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Jul 16 2011, 05:06 AM
Agent Angels will run the next format with Kristya now confirmed to be reprinted, gg.
So far, the tin reprints are awesome lol
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Indeed, my Dark Simorgh lockdown will be so good. :D
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What the ----. I haven't played yugioh in like two years and this conversation sounds ----ing retarded. Five monsters isn't over-extension, it's five monsters. If you aren't smart and/or skilled enough to keep enough protection for your monsters, then it can be consider over-extension. If you combo for five monsters to press for game and you come up a few hundred LP short, it's over-extension. If you have five monsters on the field and you upgrade/sync for position without protection, it's over-extension. If you have 5 monsters on the field and your opponent has no assets, tops a dark hole, that's YGO. If you want to make it anywhere in this game, you learn how to adapt before your opponent. Play-test your deck against everything pre- and post- side-boarding, and learn how statistics affect your draws. If you have to rely on a dark hole/raigeki/heavy storm/trunade/cold wave, or 'over-extending' to five creatures, you're doing it wrong in most cases. It's all about control, or lack there-of.
Edited by zaiura, Jul 26 2011, 12:22 PM.
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Jul 26 2011, 12:17 PM
What the ----. I haven't played yugioh in like two years and this conversation sounds ----ing retarded. Five monsters isn't over-extension, it's five monsters. If you aren't smart and/or skilled enough to keep enough protection for your monsters, then it can be consider over-extension. If you combo for five monsters to press for game and you come up a few hundred LP short, it's over-extension. If you have five monsters on the field and you upgrade/sync for position without protection, it's over-extension. If you have 5 monsters on the field and your opponent has no assets, tops a dark hole, that's YGO. If you want to make it anywhere in this game, you learn how to adapt before your opponent. Play-test your deck against everything pre- and post- side-boarding, and learn how statistics affect your draws. If you have to rely on a dark hole/raigeki/heavy storm/trunade/cold wave, or 'over-extending' to five creatures, you're doing it wrong in most cases. It's all about control, or lack there-of.
Finally, someone else who isn't a noob :thumb:
Edited by CrimsonDuelist, Jul 26 2011, 06:03 PM.
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