| So yeah Marvel and Sony basically fired Sam Raimi, Tobey McGuire, etc. from Spiderman. | |
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| Syxx | Jan 14 2010, 03:56 PM Post #1 |
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Some people may have heard this already, but I felt it needed a thread. Basically there was a news anouncement that Spider Man 4 has been canceled and the series will be rebooted with a new director and cast in 2012. Peter Parker will supposedly be a high school student as well, and the story will start over from scratch. Gotta say I'm very wary about this news. As much as obnoxious Venom fanboys bitched about Spiderman 3, I thought it was at least good, and the previous 2 films were great. Sam Raimi brought a lot of credibility to this series with his talent and without him there's the strong possibility that they're going to hire some new hack who they don't have to pay much and is going to turn out something incredibly corporate and watered down while not caring much about the source material. Definitely think that Raimi was axed because he didn't want to be told how to make the film by the people above him who were trying to insert their own stupid ideas into his vision ala what happend with Spiderman 3 and the tacked on Venom subplot. Gonna guess, despite what has been said, he walked, and then the cast refused to work with another director akin to what happened with Batman Forever. So it's going to start over from scratch. I'm dissapointed becuse I Spiderman 4 could've been awesome that is if people from Sony and Marvel didn't try to fuck with it like they did with 3, but that's not happening now. I just pray to god this isn't degenerated into some teeny bopper bullshit like Ultimate Spiderman, but I guess we'll see. Edited by Syxx, Jan 14 2010, 03:56 PM.
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| Chuiy | Jan 14 2010, 05:33 PM Post #2 |
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ish chewy :33
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This is fuckin' ridiculous :S I had no idea there was even supposed to be a Spiderman 4~ To me and Im shure many others, Tobey is Spiderman. Just lyk Daniel is Harry Potter. Cudnt do it without them~ |
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| Syxx | Jan 14 2010, 05:37 PM Post #3 |
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Yeah it's pretty stupid to me as well. The new movie sounded like it would be interesting as well with the Vulture and the Black Cat and all that. |
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| Syxx | Jan 15 2010, 01:34 AM Post #4 |
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Apprently the geniuses working on this reboot let it leak that they're considering James Cameron as director as well as David Fincher and some other directors no one cares about named Wes Anderson and Marc Webb. Note Marc Webb will probalby get the job becuase he's a music video director who will work for peanuts and do anything they say. It's how the big dumb studios do things. I found this take on AICN on the Cameron bit pretty on the mark:
Yeah, I think the people at Sony are assholes. I hope Marvel some how re-acquires the rights from them honestly. Edit: Also heard that Sony has to release another Spiderman film in 2012 to keep the rights via a contractual obligation. So it sounds like they're really go to rush this thing through production. This does not bode well for this movie really. Another good post that could unfortunately be correct. I love the title. XD Speaks volumes about this stupidity:
Edited by Syxx, Jan 15 2010, 03:02 AM.
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| Seth Nightlord | Jan 15 2010, 11:36 AM Post #5 |
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WHAT?! START OVER?! Peter a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT?! Give me a break! Peter is supposed to be a college student for crying out loud! The movie is going to fail! Poor guys though. |
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| Trillium | Jan 15 2010, 11:49 AM Post #6 |
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Boonta Likes Soft Places.
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So yeah, Sony didn't fire Raimi, Raimi quit. I haven't even found a single trustworthy source that says Sony kicked him out. Kudos to Raimi for taking quality and his love of Spider-Man over a something he isn't proud of to make money. Edit: Also still really want Spider-Man movie with Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Though I fear the version in my mind won't be well liked. Edited by Trillium, Jan 15 2010, 11:54 AM.
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| Syxx | Jan 15 2010, 12:38 PM Post #7 |
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Well, I don't know if you were trying to correct me here or just adding info, but at the risk of coming off as a douche again I'll point out that the title of this thread was, "So yeah Marvel and Sony basically fired Sam Raimi." The word basically is in there becuase I already knew he probalby walked. But it's all semantics anyways, the studio fired him by forcing him out by trying to make him cave to their unreasonable demands he would never agree to. That's how it works most of the time. It's a way the studio can try to save face with the fans by not technically firing someone. And I honesty think that if they let Raimi do what he wanted, they would probalby be filming it already. There was a bunch of news leaks earlier that Sony wasn't happy with his ideas for vilians he wanted to use, etc. I guarantee you that the reason this film's preproduction dragged on so long was because the bean counters were giving him so much shit during it just like the did for Spidey 3, but this time Raimi was reluctant not to make the same mistakes of letting them impose their will on him. If they can turn out an Iron Man sequel in 2 years, they can do another Spiderman film in 5 years. Either way Raimi is probalby better off making films he wants to make the way he wants to without getting a bunch of crap from studio execs who only care about a bottom line and are too stupid to realize a director's vision is a major part of what makes a film successful. Edited by Syxx, Jan 15 2010, 12:39 PM.
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| Syxx | Jan 16 2010, 12:05 PM Post #8 |
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James Cameron responding to being listed by Sony as a potential director by studio people who think we're so stupid we'd believe them:
Gotta love it. XD Edit: As expected the dumb asses at a certain Super Hero news site are now mad at Cameron. Really these people were dumb enough to believe they would get Cameron after Sony axed Raimi. At least the people at Aint It Cool News aren't nearly that moronic. Edited by Syxx, Jan 16 2010, 12:09 PM.
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| Syxx | Jan 20 2010, 02:11 AM Post #9 |
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Yeah, so umm like I told you so.
Comment that I think about sums this up:
Yeah, I don't have much faith in this project. And I still love the fact that James Cameron and David Fincher were listed as who they were considering. I'm sure Fincher would be like "WTF are you talking about?" if he was asked about it. I think they're first list for potential directors was Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kurbrick, and Marc Webb. Statement from Sony afterwards, "Well we really wanted Hitchock or Kubrick for this one, but it turns out they're dead. Sorry guys, but we tried. Fortunately, we have Marc Webb who was right up there with Hickcock and Kubrick the whole time." |
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| TerminalGT | Jan 20 2010, 09:34 AM Post #10 |
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I will not bow...
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R.I.P. to one of the best loved movie series. This really fucking sucks, I loved the S-M series.
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| Trillium | Jan 20 2010, 12:46 PM Post #11 |
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Boonta Likes Soft Places.
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It's actually more like Webb ONLY brought us (500) Days of Summer and directed music videos. Now, in his defense, "(500) Days of Summer" was a well reviewed movie. At the same time, it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPERHEROES. It's like asking James Cameron to do the next 2D animated Disney movie. Sure he's good, but good for that? No. Basically, I'm expecting Spider-Man...Angsty High School edition with a soundtrack picked fresh from MTV. |
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| Syxx | Jan 20 2010, 01:34 PM Post #12 |
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500 Days of Summer is a teen romantic comedy. So yeah even if well reviewed and supposedly original or "deep" some how, I have to agree with you. What proves he has the chops to direct actions scenes and crap like that? Sam Raimi had already done stuff like the Evil Dead films and Darkman to prove he could handle it. But in the end I've mentioned this many times and the big studios just LOVE to hire music video directors with little experience because they don't have to pay them much and can push them around into giving them the watered down, super commercialized product they want instead of something truly coming from the director's vision. I also heard that they pushed the deadline for the film back a year than what they had demanded from Raimi, which against means I'm correct in saying they just really wanted to get rid of him. Also I really fucking doubt many people want to see another high school Spiderman origin story that will probalby revolve around teen angst. I'm sure Sony thinks they need to teeny-ize it to maximize profit potential. This could potentially blow up in their faces though. Casting this should be interesting and should tell us a lot about just how crappy this movie could possibly be. |
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| Syxx | Jan 20 2010, 07:37 PM Post #13 |
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So yeah, if the following is true, this thing just a whole lot lamer:
Ultimate Spiderman is very lame to me. And yeah, describing something as putting super villain fighting in the backseat to the teen angst sure doesn't make me want to pay money to see this. The old films had some angst mind you, but I'm sure it will now be exploited to the height of lameness. Also hilarious is the 80 million dollar budget. So Sony is going to go from 258 million dollar budget for the last film that grossed almost a billion, to just 80 million fucking dollars. That's even 70 million last than the last Hulk film. Some one earlier described this project as a low-budget cash grab that will try jump on the Twilight-tween bandwagon. I'd say that's not far off the mark any more if this is how this pans out. So either they're trying to get as much money as possible on this last bullshit film or lack so much confidence in how it will perform they are slashing the budget. Just fucking awesome. |
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| Trillium | Jan 21 2010, 11:09 AM Post #14 |
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Boonta Likes Soft Places.
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Well, Gino's heard the news.
He's entitled to his opinion, even if that first sentence is well... |
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| Syxx | Jan 21 2010, 11:33 AM Post #15 |
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So I replied. Tell me how it turns out, I don't really see myself going back there to check up on the thread again. |
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| Trillium | Jan 21 2010, 04:35 PM Post #16 |
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Boonta Likes Soft Places.
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Nothing yet, but Jei agrees with the romance and thought third movie was a dissapointment. Course, your post does explain why it was a letdown. Raimi wanted Sandman only (I think), someone else wanted Venom, and someone else wanted Green Goblin, thus making the film's enemies terribly rushed. You could do a whole film on Venom..hell, you could do the prequel to Venom first and tell us how he got the suit in one movie, and than a sequel with Venom, and a third with Carnage. Jei did say this though:
Was it too shiny? Happy? I don't know. In her defense, I don't think New York is that shiny. I also don't think people have superpowers, so if you take glorious objection to New York being sunny as hell, there's far more illogical things to bitch about. |
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This really fucking sucks, I loved the S-M series.



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