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So yeah Marvel and Sony basically fired Sam Raimi, Tobey McGuire, etc. from Spiderman.
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Some people may have heard this already, but I felt it needed a thread. Basically there was a news anouncement that Spider Man 4 has been canceled and the series will be rebooted with a new director and cast in 2012. Peter Parker will supposedly be a high school student as well, and the story will start over from scratch.

Gotta say I'm very wary about this news. As much as obnoxious Venom fanboys bitched about Spiderman 3, I thought it was at least good, and the previous 2 films were great. Sam Raimi brought a lot of credibility to this series with his talent and without him there's the strong possibility that they're going to hire some new hack who they don't have to pay much and is going to turn out something incredibly corporate and watered down while not caring much about the source material.

Definitely think that Raimi was axed because he didn't want to be told how to make the film by the people above him who were trying to insert their own stupid ideas into his vision ala what happend with Spiderman 3 and the tacked on Venom subplot. Gonna guess, despite what has been said, he walked, and then the cast refused to work with another director akin to what happened with Batman Forever. So it's going to start over from scratch.

I'm dissapointed becuse I Spiderman 4 could've been awesome that is if people from Sony and Marvel didn't try to fuck with it like they did with 3, but that's not happening now. I just pray to god this isn't degenerated into some teeny bopper bullshit like Ultimate Spiderman, but I guess we'll see.
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This is fuckin' ridiculous :S I had no idea there was even supposed to be a Spiderman 4~ To me and Im shure many others, Tobey is Spiderman. Just lyk Daniel is Harry Potter. Cudnt do it without them~
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Yeah it's pretty stupid to me as well. The new movie sounded like it would be interesting as well with the Vulture and the Black Cat and all that.

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Apprently the geniuses working on this reboot let it leak that they're considering James Cameron as director as well as David Fincher and some other directors no one cares about named Wes Anderson and Marc Webb. Note Marc Webb will probalby get the job becuase he's a music video director who will work for peanuts and do anything they say. It's how the big dumb studios do things.

I found this take on AICN on the Cameron bit pretty on the mark:

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Well good thing Cameron is on the short list...
by bevilacq12Jan 13th, 2010
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Hahaha jesus christ. I think when your last two films hold the records for #1 and #2 highest grossing worldwide, your options are pretty much wide fucking open. But I'm glad they're "considering" Cameron. I'm sure he's flattered and getting that butterfly feeling in his stomach. In related news, my short list for who's going to be blowing me tonight is: Amy Adams, Jennifer Love Hewittm Nicole Kidman, and my ex-girlfriend


Yeah, I think the people at Sony are assholes. I hope Marvel some how re-acquires the rights from them honestly.

Edit: Also heard that Sony has to release another Spiderman film in 2012 to keep the rights via a contractual obligation. So it sounds like they're really go to rush this thing through production. This does not bode well for this movie really.

Another good post that could unfortunately be correct. I love the title. XD Speaks volumes about this stupidity:

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This is not your older brother's Spider-Man.
by Laserbrain Jan 14th, 2010
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Here's my hit prediction:

They won't just reboot this sucker. They will Steel-Cap Reboot this sucker. They will J.J Abrams Reboot this sucker. They will fuck the movie canon up six ways to Sunday and here's why:

With memories of a well-loved OT still very fresh in people's minds the reboot will have to turn the Spidey universe upside down or risk inevitable audience apathy.

You guys waxing optimistic that this time "they'll get it right", that this time you'll get a wise-cracking Spidey, or a supermodel Mary Jane, or a less comedic take on J.J. Jameson, or the real Gwen Stacy story, or a Goblin that doesn't look like a Power Ranger, etc, etc, etc... Kids, write that Christmas wishlist down on a postcard, stamp it, sign it, seal it with a kiss and then feed that love letter into a document shredder. That may help prime you for the pain to come.

I'm betting whole new origin. I'm betting whole new never-before-seen costume. I'm betting brand new made-from-whole-cloth villains, secondary characters and storylines that bear no relationship to any mythology heretofore explored in print of film.

Spidey fans of every stripe are going to get screwed with this remake - Raimi's admirers, Raimi's detractors, every man(child) jack of us.
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WHAT?! START OVER?! Peter a HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT?! Give me a break! Peter is supposed to be a college student for crying out loud!

The movie is going to fail! Poor guys though.
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Deadline Hollywood's Nikki Finke had the story first, saying that "Mike Fleming and I have just confirmed that Sony Pictures decided today to reboot the Spider-Man franchise after franchise director Sam Raimi pulled out of Spider-Man 4 because he felt he couldn't make its summer release date and keep the film's creative integrity.


So yeah, Sony didn't fire Raimi, Raimi quit. I haven't even found a single trustworthy source that says Sony kicked him out.

Kudos to Raimi for taking quality and his love of Spider-Man over a something he isn't proud of to make money.

Edit: Also still really want Spider-Man movie with Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Though I fear the version in my mind won't be well liked.
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So yeah, Sony didn't fire Raimi, Raimi quit. I haven't even found a single trustworthy source that says Sony kicked him out.

Kudos to Raimi for taking quality and his love of Spider-Man over a something he isn't proud of to make money.


Well, I don't know if you were trying to correct me here or just adding info, but at the risk of coming off as a douche again I'll point out that the title of this thread was, "So yeah Marvel and Sony basically fired Sam Raimi." The word basically is in there becuase I already knew he probalby walked.

But it's all semantics anyways, the studio fired him by forcing him out by trying to make him cave to their unreasonable demands he would never agree to. That's how it works most of the time. It's a way the studio can try to save face with the fans by not technically firing someone. And I honesty think that if they let Raimi do what he wanted, they would probalby be filming it already. There was a bunch of news leaks earlier that Sony wasn't happy with his ideas for vilians he wanted to use, etc. I guarantee you that the reason this film's preproduction dragged on so long was because the bean counters were giving him so much shit during it just like the did for Spidey 3, but this time Raimi was reluctant not to make the same mistakes of letting them impose their will on him. If they can turn out an Iron Man sequel in 2 years, they can do another Spiderman film in 5 years.

Either way Raimi is probalby better off making films he wants to make the way he wants to without getting a bunch of crap from studio execs who only care about a bottom line and are too stupid to realize a director's vision is a major part of what makes a film successful.
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James Cameron responding to being listed by Sony as a potential director by studio people who think we're so stupid we'd believe them:

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Cameron Not Interested in Spider-Man Reboot
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On Thursday, Avatar director James Cameron's name popped-up on a potential list of directors for Sony's Spider-Man reboot, coming in 2012. MTV asked Cameron if there was any truth to it tonight.

"No, no," Cameron said. "It's a little bit sloppy seconds, let's face it. I haven't gotten a phone call. I don't expect to — certainly [not] after this interview. But if you're thinking about it, it's sloppy seconds. I'm not interested."

Our guess is that Cameron will move right into the Avatar sequel considering the film has already reached $1.42 billion worldwide and will likely surpass Titanic's $1.84 billion before it exits theaters.


Gotta love it. XD

Edit: As expected the dumb asses at a certain Super Hero news site are now mad at Cameron. Really these people were dumb enough to believe they would get Cameron after Sony axed Raimi. At least the people at Aint It Cool News aren't nearly that moronic.
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Yeah, so umm like I told you so.

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The Director Of The Revamped SPIDER-MAN Is...


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As previously rumored/conjectured, Marc Webb has been confirmed as the director of Sony's SPIDEY reboot.

In a press release, Columbia president Matt Tolmach says:
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"At its core, Spider-Man is a small, intimate human story about an everyday teenager that takes place in an epic super-human world. The key for us as we sought a new director was to identify filmmakers who could give sharp focus to Peter Parker's life. We wanted someone who could capture the awe of being in Peter's shoes so the audience could experience his sense of discovery while giving real heart to the emotion, anxiety, and recklessness of that age and coupling all of that with the adrenaline of Spider-Man's adventure."


Webb recently brought us 500 DAYS OF SUMMER and has directed videos like Green Day's "21 Guns", All American Rejects' "Move Along", some Evanescence stuff, and more. You can see samples of his work via the "video" portion of the exploding sheep HERE.

The new SPIDEY should hit theaters Summer 2012, from a script by James Vanderbilt. Production should ramp up later this year.

I really wish they wouldn't reboot this back to an origin story. No matter how good it could end up being, I'm thinking we just don't need to see 'how it all started' again to make the franchise work anew.


Comment that I think about sums this up:

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by rev_skarekroe Jan 19th, 2010

"To direct the next Spider-Man movie, we got some guy. He's done some videos and flick about teenagers or something. Most importantly, he works cheap and he promises to do what he's told."


Yeah, I don't have much faith in this project.

And I still love the fact that James Cameron and David Fincher were listed as who they were considering. I'm sure Fincher would be like "WTF are you talking about?" if he was asked about it.

I think they're first list for potential directors was Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kurbrick, and Marc Webb. Statement from Sony afterwards, "Well we really wanted Hitchock or Kubrick for this one, but it turns out they're dead. Sorry guys, but we tried. Fortunately, we have Marc Webb who was right up there with Hickcock and Kubrick the whole time."

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Webb recently brought us 500 DAYS OF SUMMER and has directed videos like Green Day's "21 Guns", All American Rejects' "Move Along", some Evanescence stuff, and more.
It's actually more like Webb ONLY brought us (500) Days of Summer and directed music videos.

Now, in his defense, "(500) Days of Summer" was a well reviewed movie. At the same time, it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPERHEROES. It's like asking James Cameron to do the next 2D animated Disney movie. Sure he's good, but good for that? No.

Basically, I'm expecting Spider-Man...Angsty High School edition with a soundtrack picked fresh from MTV.
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Webb recently brought us 500 DAYS OF SUMMER and has directed videos like Green Day's "21 Guns", All American Rejects' "Move Along", some Evanescence stuff, and more.
It's actually more like Webb ONLY brought us (500) Days of Summer and directed music videos.

Now, in his defense, "(500) Days of Summer" was a well reviewed movie. At the same time, it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPERHEROES. It's like asking James Cameron to do the next 2D animated Disney movie. Sure he's good, but good for that? No.

Basically, I'm expecting Spider-Man...Angsty High School edition with a soundtrack picked fresh from MTV.
500 Days of Summer is a teen romantic comedy. So yeah even if well reviewed and supposedly original or "deep" some how, I have to agree with you. What proves he has the chops to direct actions scenes and crap like that? Sam Raimi had already done stuff like the Evil Dead films and Darkman to prove he could handle it.

But in the end I've mentioned this many times and the big studios just LOVE to hire music video directors with little experience because they don't have to pay them much and can push them around into giving them the watered down, super commercialized product they want instead of something truly coming from the director's vision.

I also heard that they pushed the deadline for the film back a year than what they had demanded from Raimi, which against means I'm correct in saying they just really wanted to get rid of him.

Also I really fucking doubt many people want to see another high school Spiderman origin story that will probalby revolve around teen angst. I'm sure Sony thinks they need to teeny-ize it to maximize profit potential. This could potentially blow up in their faces though. Casting this should be interesting and should tell us a lot about just how crappy this movie could possibly be.

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So yeah, if the following is true, this thing just a whole lot lamer:

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More Spider-Man Reboot Details?
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Yesterday, Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios confirmed that (500) Days of Summer helmer Marc Webb is going to direct the Spider-Man reboot. In reporting on the news, the Risky Business blog has some possible more details on the project:

Webb, who has options on two sequels, will now tackle a Jamie Vanderbilt script that sees a “Spider-Man” movie that will look and feel very different from the big movies that went before it.

The plan for the movie is to be in the $80 million range and feature a cast of relative unknowns (so you can quash those Rob Pattinson or Gordon-Levitt rumors at this point). And the story will be pared down to center on a high school kid who is dealing with the knowledge that his uncle died even though the teen had the power to stop it.

The touchstone for the new movie will not be the 1960s comics, which were the inspiration behind the movies by Raimi, who grew on up on them, but rather this past decade’s “Ultimate Spider-Man” comics by Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley where the villain-fighting took a back seat to the high school angst.

Please keep in mind that none of this is confirmed and we may not know for sure until closer to release. Stay tuned for more announcements as they come in...


Ultimate Spiderman is very lame to me. And yeah, describing something as putting super villain fighting in the backseat to the teen angst sure doesn't make me want to pay money to see this. The old films had some angst mind you, but I'm sure it will now be exploited to the height of lameness.

Also hilarious is the 80 million dollar budget. So Sony is going to go from 258 million dollar budget for the last film that grossed almost a billion, to just 80 million fucking dollars. That's even 70 million last than the last Hulk film. Some one earlier described this project as a low-budget cash grab that will try jump on the Twilight-tween bandwagon. I'd say that's not far off the mark any more if this is how this pans out. So either they're trying to get as much money as possible on this last bullshit film or lack so much confidence in how it will perform they are slashing the budget. Just fucking awesome.

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I personally think Sam Raimi butchered the movie series. The 3rd movie ruined the storyline, and while I loved the 2nd movie I felt they should've waited longer for MaryJane to fall in love with Peter Parker.


He's entitled to his opinion, even if that first sentence is well...

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Well, Gino's heard the news.

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I personally think Sam Raimi butchered the movie series. The 3rd movie ruined the storyline, and while I loved the 2nd movie I felt they should've waited longer for MaryJane to fall in love with Peter Parker.


He's entitled to his opinion, even if that first sentence is well...

So I replied. Tell me how it turns out, I don't really see myself going back there to check up on the thread again.

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I replied. Tell me how it turns out, I don't really see myself going back there to check up on the thread again.
Nothing yet, but Jei agrees with the romance and thought third movie was a dissapointment. Course, your post does explain why it was a letdown. Raimi wanted Sandman only (I think), someone else wanted Venom, and someone else wanted Green Goblin, thus making the film's enemies terribly rushed.

You could do a whole film on Venom..hell, you could do the prequel to Venom first and tell us how he got the suit in one movie, and than a sequel with Venom, and a third with Carnage.

Jei did say this though:

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But I felt the way Sam Rami directed the trilogy was too bright. =/
There were times where the movie could have used more drama.


Was it too shiny? Happy? I don't know. In her defense, I don't think New York is that shiny.

I also don't think people have superpowers, so if you take glorious objection to New York being sunny as hell, there's far more illogical things to bitch about.
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