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Nuclear Material Pact; Proposed by Jean Pierre Trudeau
Topic Started: Mar 9 2015, 06:39 AM (222 Views)
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This proposal will come up for a vote in about nine hours.

In-game debate thread: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=23682793#p23682793

Nuclear Material Pact
Proposed by Jean Pierre Trudeau
Nuclear Material Pact
Category: Free Trade
Strength: Mild
Proposed by: Jean Pierre Trudeau


World Assembly,

Understanding the enormous technological, economical, and energy potential of nuclear energy,

Aware that nuclear energy requires substantial amounts of raw nuclear materials that are not always in abundance within some nations,

Believing that all member nations, and their populaces should have the right to clean, long lasting supplies of nuclear energy,

The General Assembly hereby:

1. For the purposes of this resolution defines:
  1. Nuclear energy as the sustained use of nuclear fission or fusion to generate heat and electricity;

  2. Nuclear material as a material capable of sustaining a nuclear fission or fusion chain reaction.
2. Decrees that member nations shall not subject their trading partners to unnecessary tariffs on nuclear materials destined for use in nuclear power facilities,

3. Urges members to cease trading raw nuclear materials to nations of ill repute,

4. Declares that the World Assembly shall not pass any further resolutions preventing the trade of nuclear materials destined for use in nuclear reactors.
"I was born free and desire to continue so."

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This proposal would reduce tariffs and bar future WA legislation restricting trade.

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"I was born free and desire to continue so."

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1. What is "unnecessary"?

2. What is "ill repute"?

3. What is "destined"?

4. Wait, we break down the trade barriers, so we can buy out the uranium from dinky banana republics at a cheaper price (because that's an 'international issue') but if that nation's nuclear facilities blow clouds of radiological ash across their neighbors with said uranium (that's a 'domestic' issue)!?

5. The Prime Minister who oversaw CANDU nuclear reactors being turned into an Indian nuclear arsenal is going to preach free trade now, really?

6. What country can afford nuclear technology, but can't afford to pay tarriffs.. to.. I dunno, support the environment in said nation?

AGAINST.
Edited by unibot, Mar 9 2015, 08:50 AM.
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For. Obviously people are missing the point to this resolution. It is a blocker designed to prevent the banning of the production of nuclear weapons.

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4. Declares that the World Assembly shall not pass any further resolutions preventing the trade of nuclear materials destined for use in nuclear reactors.


A nuclear weapon IS a nuclear reactor.

I am guessing you are excising delegate prerogative on this one, since CD was for, and you are against, and yet you are still voting against in the WA?
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In the event that there is a tie, the delegate is the tiebreaker. That's my rule.
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Mar 9 2015, 05:35 PM
For. Obviously people are missing the point to this resolution. It is a blocker designed to prevent the banning of the production of nuclear weapons.

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4. Declares that the World Assembly shall not pass any further resolutions preventing the trade of nuclear materials destined for use in nuclear reactors.


A nuclear weapon IS a nuclear reactor.
That seems rather tenuous. Most people would not use or understand the term "nuclear reactor" in that way.
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I'm gonna go along with the Delegate on this one and vote NAY. However, please don't count my vote if it's the deciding vote.
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Mar 9 2015, 06:58 PM
In the event that there is a tie, the delegate is the tiebreaker. That's my rule.
Well it is two to one for, so please vote accordingly?



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Mar 9 2015, 07:18 PM
Chester Pearson
Mar 9 2015, 05:35 PM
For. Obviously people are missing the point to this resolution. It is a blocker designed to prevent the banning of the production of nuclear weapons.

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4. Declares that the World Assembly shall not pass any further resolutions preventing the trade of nuclear materials destined for use in nuclear reactors.


A nuclear weapon IS a nuclear reactor.
That seems rather tenuous. Most people would not use or understand the term "nuclear reactor" in that way.
But it is a scientific fact. It is not up to me to determine how the resolution is "interpreted" now is it?
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I'm not an expert on nuclear power or weapons, but when the Wikipedia page on "nuclear reactor" doesn't mention nuclear weapons as containing nuclear reactors, I'd think you're on shaky ground with that interpretation. Nukes might have nuclear reactions but they're not intended to create and control a sustained nuclear reaction (wikipedia definition of nuclear reactors).
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Mar 9 2015, 10:18 PM
I'm not an expert on nuclear power or weapons, but when the Wikipedia page on "nuclear reactor" doesn't mention nuclear weapons as containing nuclear reactors, I'd think you're on shaky ground with that interpretation. Nukes might have nuclear reactions but they're not intended to create and control a sustained nuclear reaction (wikipedia definition of nuclear reactors).
Without a sustained nuclear reaction they fizzle and do not produce the intended yield. Come on man, this is physics 101.
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Mar 9 2015, 09:35 PM
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Mar 9 2015, 06:58 PM
In the event that there is a tie, the delegate is the tiebreaker. That's my rule.
Well it is two to one for, so please vote accordingly?



Where did you learn to count? the vote is 2-2.
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Kenny
Mar 10 2015, 02:27 AM
Chester Pearson
Mar 9 2015, 09:35 PM
unibot
Mar 9 2015, 06:58 PM
In the event that there is a tie, the delegate is the tiebreaker. That's my rule.
Well it is two to one for, so please vote accordingly?



Where did you learn to count? the vote is 2-2.
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I'm gonna go along with the Delegate on this one and vote NAY. However, please don't count my vote if it's the deciding vote.


I am guessing you didn't actually write that, and someone hacked your account right?
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A tie vote wouldn't really make my vote the deciding one, would it?
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Awful proposal.
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