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War Crimes Tribunal; Proposed by Chester Pearson
Topic Started: Jan 28 2015, 04:41 AM (242 Views)
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A legality challenge was filed against this proposal a week ago. We're about 30 minutes away from voting time, and the GA moderators haven't issued a ruling one way or the other, so I guess that means we're voting on it...

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In-game debate thread: http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=326189

War Crimes Tribunal
Proposed by Chester Pearson
War Crimes Tribunal
Category: International Security
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Chester Pearson


The World Assembly,

RECOGNIZING that war crimes are crimes against humanity,

DECLARING that war crimes are so heinous that the international community as a whole has the responsibility to bring to justice those who are guilty of such crimes,

CONVINCED about the potential abuses of power associated with granting jurisdiction over war crimes to individual nations,

The General Assembly,

1. Hereby creates the International War Crimes Tribunal (IWCT) tasks it with the following mandate:
  1. To investigate persons suspected of war crimes,

  2. To issue arrest warrants for persons suspected of war crimes if investigations deem the evidence is compelling enough to warrant indictment,

  3. To work with member nations in the trial of suspected war criminals indicted by the International War Crimes Tribunal within their jurisdiction, according to the principals of fairness and impartiality in trials endorsed by the World Assembly.
2. Compels members to execute warrants issued by the IWTC,

3. Mandates that members pursue the extradition of persons wanted for war crimes, not under their jurisdictions by all legal means,

4. Demands member nations that are incapacitated or otherwise incapable of trying and detaining individuals suspected or convicted of war crimes extradite those individuals to a member state capable of or trying and incarcerating those individuals, according to the principals of fairness and impartiality in trials endorsed by the World Assembly.

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Against for poor writing.

It's not clear at all what the IWCT and member states would do; the terms "war," "war crimes," and "crimes against humanity" are never defined; and the preamble uses "The World Assembly" and "The General Assembly," indicating a lack of proofreading on the parts of the main author and the coauthor. All around, it's simply a bad proposal.
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Also against for poor writing. You would think two authors could do better than that.

Aside from the poor writing, the phrase "hereby creates" in a GA resolution is almost a guarantee I'll be voting against. I really hate resolutions that primarily create new WA bureaucracies.
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Jan 28 2015, 04:45 AM
the terms "war," "war crimes," and "crimes against humanity" are never defined;
Are they defined in Universal Jurisdiction?

Also what possible legality challenge could you have had against this one? :angel:

I of course vote FOR!



The Right Honourable Chester B. Pearson,

Prime Minister, United Federation of Canada

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Jan 28 2015, 04:48 AM
Also against for poor writing. You would think two authors could do better than that.

Aside from the poor writing, the phrase "hereby creates" in a GA resolution is almost a guarantee I'll be voting against. I really hate resolutions that primarily create new WA bureaucracies.
Like I care how some pinko from The Internationale votes anyway. Misely will force you to vote against it, just to spite me.
The Right Honourable Chester B. Pearson,

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(Not voting.)

I'm voting against for now because it's so poorly written and poorly executed, but I may switch to abstaining depending on how irritating the other arguments against are.
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I'm against. This could have been written better - I think the authors were rushing it to beat Auralia to the queue, perhaps?
Edited by unibot, Jan 28 2015, 07:10 AM.
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Chester Pearson
Jan 28 2015, 05:20 AM
Like I care how some pinko from The Internationale votes anyway. Misely will force you to vote against it, just to spite me.
And it's not like you can blame him.
Edited by Guy, Jan 28 2015, 12:11 PM.
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Against. Poorly written.
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Jan 28 2015, 12:10 PM
Chester Pearson
Jan 28 2015, 05:20 AM
Like I care how some pinko from The Internationale votes anyway. Misely will force you to vote against it, just to spite me.
And it's not like you can blame him.

>implying anyone would have to force me to vote against Chester's proposal out of spite.

:lol:
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Ye gods, Chester... thou most tragic legislative figure... it'd be repealed a resolution or two down the line anyway for Clause 2's mandate that nations execute warrants issued by an undefined (typo'd) organization! I dislike Auralia's blocker against international involvement with this issue as much as you do, but this was... careless. :( :( :(

I voted for with my WA country, but I'm... un-optimistic.

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Jan 30 2015, 11:14 PM
Ye gods, Chester... thou most tragic legislative figure... it'd be repealed a resolution or two down the line anyway for Clause 2's mandate that nations execute warrants issued by an undefined (typo'd) organization! I dislike Auralia's blocker against international involvement with this issue as much as you do, but this was... careless. :( :( :(

I voted for with my WA country, but I'm... un-optimistic.
Wasn't left with much of a choice on the matter. I blocked his first attempt, by campaigning that god awful marine disposal shit to vote, not realizing it was going to pass by a landslide. :angry: He was in the process of redrafting his, and I couldn't find an illegality to get it yanked a second time, so had to push this, hoping the mods will rule UD illegal again. I had a feeling it was going to get basted out of the sky, but it is only failing by a small margin.

Either way, if UD fails, we can proabably get a blocker in place instead.
The Right Honourable Chester B. Pearson,

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Why does everyone keep calling a proposal on universal jurisdiction "UD"? What does the D stand for?
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