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Official Communiqué of the Lone Wolves United
Topic Started: Aug 10 2011, 05:11 PM (1,332 Views)
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Aug 13 2011, 05:33 PM
Marriage. Not in the persobal sense. Im not suggesting a member from one "marry" one from the other. No, simply, if we come up with some sort of treaty, one that implicitly states that the lone wolves cannot raid us, then we have a solution. Obviously, the two foreign offices will have to negotiate any other terms, but its not a wholly bad idea, now, is it?
Depends upon what they require from us in exchange, ST.
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TT

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Tikal
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O.o We've required nothing.

I've offered cooperation from moment one.


What else could you possibly want?
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By its nature the question is unawnsersable.


If you ask me for my WA today, I will reply "I don't have one today but I have one waiting."

Ask me tommorow and if you get me during the very few hours I actually have one, i'll say its busy in a raid.
If the fenders turn up and you ask again, sure, i'll tell you where it is.
Otherwise it goes back into the pile of dead nations, i resign from the wa until close to next update.
Thats the whole point.
You'd be asking for information that is entirely useless to you other than "I have a WA right now."
If we were to invade TRR, you would know, because we use flags.
We ALWAYS use the flags...thats kind of the whole deal.
We have taken the opinion that if we can prove we have WA's engaged elsewhere, that should satisfy your interests.
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TT, aye, tis what i meant by negotiate :-P
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Aug 13 2011, 09:11 PM
You can't just pick up one thing I point out, and ignore all the rest.

All the posts I did in TRR, up to the OP of this thread, were as a citizen of TRR, not as a representative of LWU.


Like me, any other person who happens to be here, and at the same time is a member of LWU, speaks as a citizen of TRR within TRR.


I already said there was no LWU involvement in TRR. Not in WAs, nor with citizens.

I can't possibly say it again, if you're going to keep ignoring it.
I'm not ignoring what you said, Tikal. I'm calling attention to the question of "TRR citizenship" means to a nation which owes to LWU the military-style loyalty inherent in being a LWU soldier.

There's a good reason I originally called attention to your words that:
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All LWU does is missions - raid, infiltrate, colonize; all of it's activity consists of these operations; you're not talking about a random region who has a military on the side, but where mainly people talk about politics, do some roleplay and spam.

You're talking about professional raiders, who *only* raid; and you're asking them to quit the *only* thing they do in their region.

You're so clear about it: LWU exists for the sole purpose of raiding, infiltrating and colonizing. LWU's military operations, according to you, are not a side-interest, but "the *only* thing they do". This make me think that, when a LWU nation calls himself or herself a "citizen of TRR", they define "citizen" very differently from the way non-invaders define it.

It suggests to me that for "professional raiders, who *only* raid", calling oneself a citizen of TRR (or anywhere else) might be no more than the first stage of a mission to infiltrate and colonize TRR, in preparation for a full raid.

Your clear declaration of what it means to be LWU suggests that for LWU members, "citizen of TRR" is a lesser loyalty, one that is subject to the military priorities imposed by LWU's military chain of command. That's consistent with the fact that appeals have been made to the priority of the LWU chain of command as the reason for not answering security-related questions in TRR.

For this reason, I've raised this question, and suggested that we need a proper discussion in order to clarify the nature of citizenship that can reasonably be expected from soldiers whose allegiance is elsewhere and who are or may be actively under orders from a foreign power which defines itself as an army of "professional raiders, who *only* raid".

The persistent refusal of LWU to recognize that their hard-core raider stance makes it difficult for us ignore the security implications of their presence here. The sooner we sit down and talk about the potential conflict between LWU's reason for being and ours, and address the central question "how do we make it safe for TRR to have LWU in our midst?", the sooner we can try to come up with a compromise that allows both TRR and LWU to protect our mutual regional interests.



ADD: As for the question about requirements from LWU, I refer to what appears to be an insistence that we take it for granted that having LWU here poses no possible security threat, and therefore we shouldn't ask security-related questions. Also, there's the much-debated matter of what Blue Wolf meant in IRC by the offer to "protect TRR for a small price".
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It suggests to me that for "professional raiders, who *only* raid", calling oneself a citizen of TRR (or anywhere else) might be no more than the first stage of a mission to infiltrate and colonize TRR, in preparation for a full raid.


We also have and have had members of Lone Wolves United with citizenship in TNP, TWP, The Pacific, The East Pacific, and Lazarus. None of them have had any issues.
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This is getting stupid. Will the non-LWU members please shut it?

This is an embassy not a 5 page warzone.
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Hmm... Don't see why any Citizen of this region should shut it.
Edited by Guy, Aug 15 2011, 12:29 AM.
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