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Official Communiqué of the Lone Wolves United
Topic Started: Aug 10 2011, 05:11 PM (1,333 Views)
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Official Communication from the Lone Wolves United


-Regarding any concerns related to the identity and location of WA nations of LWU troops:


All Wolves who are concurrently citizens of The Rejected Realms, currently have their WA at the service of LWU.

Regarding all missions, the name and location of the WAs of all troops, is deemed classified.



The Lone Wolves United are, however, sympathetic to any existing concerns related to their Wolves, within the same attitude of friendship and availability that the Lone Wolves United have always demonstrated towards The Rejected Realms.


As such, any and all issues pertaining to the identification of members or their conduct, operations, military cooperation, or others, should be directed to the Lone Wolves United Khan (Tikal), Second Founder (Evil Wolf), and Director of Intelligence and Espionage (Lord Alphanesia).




-Tikal Dion Diablessa Romefeller

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*puts on his LWU Second Founder hat*

Nicely put, Tik. It is a prosperous to ask *any* raider for their WA nation. The whole point in us constantly switching puppets is so defenders don't know where they are and what their name is.

In any case, as the Communiqué has stated, please direct any inquiries to one of the three, preferably D.I.E. Director Lord Alphanesia. Tikal has enough to deal with at the updates then answer ludicrous questions that threaten our security.
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Aug 10 2011, 06:44 PM
Tikal has enough to deal with at the updates then answer ludicrous questions that threaten our security.
What ludicrous questions?
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Anything pertaining to the location of any Lone Wolves United puppet is a ludicrous question, Sedge. You, of all people, should know better.

I don't come over to the FRA and start asking you guys for the location of all your WA puppets, do I? Of course not, that sort of request is beyond insulting.
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What makes you think we've been asking anything to do with that?
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Let's play games Sedge, those are fun too.
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You've failed to answer my question - which leads me to believe that you've been asking citizens about the discussions we've been having in our private forum, again.

In response to your communique - if we ask to know the location of someone's WA nation, we're asking the citizen of TRR, not a member of LWU. Thus, our questions go to the citizen.
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Assume what you wish Sedge, but the question you asked breached TRR and wandered directly into my realm in LWU, making it my problem and a security risk. You have no right to do so.
Edited by Evil Wolf, Aug 10 2011, 07:16 PM.
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LWU does not control what we ask our citizens. When our citizens are here, they are here as members of TRR.
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And Lone Wolves United controls what information we allow our members to release. If any Wolf is asked a suspicious question they are to immediately inform D.I.E. Its part of our basic procedures.

So yes, they are TRR citizens, but they are also Lone Wolves and they have a responsibility to both. If you didn't ask them compromising questions, that duality wouldn't be a problem.

So really, are the questions you're posing to my members really about some sort of security concern or are you just trying to use our members duel citizenship to compromise Lone Wolves United missions by passing on whatever information they hand you to Defender contacts?
Edited by Evil Wolf, Aug 10 2011, 07:27 PM.
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Considering that there are TRR citizens who are active raiders, and have undergone operations which entail investment, both in time, and technical, this does pose a serious concern for LWU.

Nonetheless, as I stated, any issues regarding our troops may be directed to the LWU; we will cooperate, again, as I stated, in good faith.

However, it will all depend on the level of classification of the information required by the RR government; always keeping in mind that we have to ponder the stealth of our agents, and that the RR are a FRA region, which will undoubtedly leak information if we provide it; making it up to us to decide whether we are willing to quit or not on our ongoing missions.
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EW, i believe you meant dual, not duel. Preposterous, not a prosperous. Also, DIE Director is somewhat redundant.

Also, i think tikal does well to keep a cool head and try to be accomodating here, especially after how she felt attacked the other day. EW, learn from that. Dont jump straight on the offensive
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Actually D.I.E stands for the Department of Intelligence and Espionage, Tikal confused it. So D.I.E. Director (D.I.E.D) isn't redundant at all. :P

Everything else was grammatically my fault XD
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I take that one back, then. No worries
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LWU does not control what we ask our citizens. When our citizens are here, they are here as members of TRR.
My 2 cents here --- probably worth a lot less with inflation. Surely this has to cut both ways, and when it does it raises another question. I'll get to that.

Before I get that, it seems to me that there's only a little difference between LWU not wanting their raider army to divulge what they deem confidential here, and us not wanting our citizens to divulge things like what's on our Citizens' Forum to other regions or to people who come here that try to interrogate them. I realize that when we ask about WA nations we are asking for information to protect ourselves from invasion; withholding that information from us endangers TRR more than giving it endangers LWU (according to our perspective). Those who are trying to get information from our Citizens' Forum are asking information that might make us vulnerable; us withholding that information doesn't endanger LWU or anyone else. The distinction I make is that we are trying to protect our own homeland; LWU is trying to protect their ability to invade someone else's homeland. But even allowing for that distinction, I don't think the real issue is the value of the information, it's something deeper. And so to my question.

It's great that we can be a neutral region that's open to both defenders and raiders (as well as their victims), but I believe this current issue highlights the problem of split loyalties. How can we pretend that players can be as loyal to us as we need them to be when we know they also have a loyalty to a militia whose job it is to destabilize the security of other regions? Your statement, Sedge, doesn't deal with that reality IMO.

There are ways of addressing that question which can make TRR safer while keeping us open to all kinds of players, to be sure, but as long as we're still skirting round the question, we're not addressing it. We're pretending it isn't there.

Heck, when I was asked to be part of the now-defunct Council of Three, I was specifically asked whether I had any loyalties to any other region that could affect my involvement here. It was clear to me that unless TRR was my priority I couldn't serve on the Council. So it's not an unimportant issue, and clearly, it's relevant to this conversation. Is it time we stop ignoring this yet?
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