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[DRAFT] Articles of Impeachment
Topic Started: May 25 2011, 04:28 PM (675 Views)
unibot
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May 26 2011, 11:33 PM
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If the declaration of sanction is required by the RA, this essentially negates the time saved with the emergency clauses of the Rogue-Delegate in practice. In theory, however, the FRA rangers could intervene in a feeder without a public explanation -- but that would cause even more outrage, because now we would have a publicly unjustified intervention


...I don't think that's what Sedge meant. Under current FRA law you are allowed, upon Cabinet approval to intervene, however should you then decide that a statement is needed to justify this action (which of course it will be) then you are required to inform the RA about your intent to do so, regardless of whether it is more of a personal statement or not.
However, then any time saved not having to vote on intervention is negated and effectively intervention is put to vote -- it is thus obvious in my interpretation that a sanction includes a public statement, because without a public statement it is simply an order, sanction implies some sort of publicity or public nature to the order. If the ability to 'permit' intervention is invested to the cabinet, the ability to justify itself publicly would naturally seem to also be invested, or is the letter of law suggesting that the cabinet is not capable of justifying itself, but fine to discern whether to intervene or not? Is it not worrying that these peoples who are incompetent at justification according to your interpretation of the law's letter are also the ones who are granted the power to decide whether to intervene or not? Obviously contradiction arises when we apply usual standard procedure to an emergency law -- it is an emergency law because it is dealing with issues that are constrained for time.

Sedge, the date of when either bill was passed is irrelevant, because the text suggests that it overrides usual policy on public statements -- we cannot assume there is no contradiction simply because the Rogue Delegate Bill is a subsequent bill, unless we want to sprinkle magic over the letter of the law and make it so.

One of the problems is that the usual policy would be fine if we only had the major update, but the emergency law allows us to respond to feeder attacks in twelve hours now that there are two updates.
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Biyah
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I would ask the FRA Chancellor stop trying to derail this conversation.

Back to the point: Impeachment.

I'm happy with them as they are, and move they be posted.
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Right -- let's ignore any problems that might exist with the impeachment argument, because that's off-topic.. what is on-topic is anything that confirms that the impeachment argument is right.
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This thread is to decide if we want to post it at all. You can argue any problems with impeachment on the FRA board until your heart is content, if you like. Here, we're trying to decide if we the TRR want to hold your ... fundament.. accountable in the first place.

Cheers and all that. And of course, this is my opinion. I could be mistaken.

~B


Edit: I suppose I should at least take a blind stab at being diplomatic.
Edited by Biyah, May 27 2011, 01:57 AM.
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Aight, now that it's posted on FRA - I have no more objections to your bellyaching in this thread. Party on Garth.

~B

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May 27 2011, 02:06 AM
Party on Garth.
Party on Wayne! :panic:
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However, then any time saved not having to vote on intervention is negated and effectively intervention is put to vote


But its not Uni. The statement policy states that you are to inform the RA that you are planning on releasing a statement at least 24 hours in advance of you doing so. Only if two reps of the RA raise concerns regarding the statement will it be taken to vote, and then it will only be voting on the statement, not whether the involvement should happen or not.
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Felasia
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Voting have already started.

I'm assuming you want me to vote aye?
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Biyah
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Absolutely.
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Indeed
When you play the game of thrones, you win, or you die

Liebe ist fur alle da
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Felasia
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The impeachment was defeated as it doesn't reach 60% majority as needed, but Unibot choose to resign instead. Snap election is currently underway for the position of Arch Chancellor

http://s7.zetaboards.com/FRA/topic/8520964/1 - Resignation
http://s7.zetaboards.com/FRA/topic/8520978/1 - Snap Election
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