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Reopening the FRA Debate; New Information
Topic Started: May 24 2011, 06:16 AM (1,036 Views)
Whamabama
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Earth
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I support an official reaction to the recent actions of the FRA and their Arch-Chancellor.
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Biyah
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unibot
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We'll I've been thinking this over, and talking with several individuals on IRC and decided that it was indeed very wrong of the FRA under my leadership to have banned or kicked Sedgistan, CrazyGirl and Oliver Dion-Grey from #fra, no matter how transitory this decision. I express extreme disappointment with how Oliver Dion-Grey, under my leadership and supervision was banned from #fra, having been identified as a raider. Whilst we did make it clear when the #fra was recreated that raiders would not be tolerated in the channel -- Oliver was no longer a member of Europeia, nor was his presence any real threat to our mission, nor should we have to put the security of our missions before the right of all FRA member-region citizens to join some sort of channel for their diplomacy and communication. Which is why we are also apologizing to Sedgistan and CrazyGirl, because although the circumstances demanded that we could not have supporters of Devonitians in the channel as we were conducting a mission to overthrow Devonitians, the system should not have been designed so that non-ranger/ranger coordinated missions and regional communication had to try to share the same channel. This was a design flaw that was knowingly made by me, to simply eliminate more channels than needed -- I did not foresee a situation like this and the consequences of this oversight has been some rather unpleasant treatment by myself and my organization towards Crazygirl and Sedgistan in this instance, by pitting their right to preside in the channel against the FRA's mission security. So, my sincerest apologies to all three of these individuals.

I am disappointed that the Rejected Realms feels so strongly that I should be impeached, if not for this issue, then a combination of issues that have occurred during my term as Arch-Chancellor. No matter how this impeachment turns out , I hope to create a new channel for non-ranger/ranger coordinated missions to fill the void that maintaining #fra as a open discussion channel will leave, before any such verdict is reached.
Edited by unibot, May 25 2011, 02:46 AM.
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Oliver Dion
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Pretty backhanded, to refer to me to as "Oliver the Menace" in an apology.
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Biyah
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It's a very backhanded apology in general, trying to make us look like the bad guys.

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I did not foresee a situation like this and the consequences of this oversight has been some rather unpleasant treatment by myself and my organization towards Crazygirl and Sedgistan in this instance, by pitting their right to preside in the channel against the FRA's mission security. So, my sincerest apologies to all three of these individuals.


Of course, this was to be expected. They had another channel, yet are blaming us because we wanted to exorcize our rights. Meh.

Edited by Biyah, May 25 2011, 02:47 AM.
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May 25 2011, 02:43 AM
Pretty backhanded, to refer to me to as "Oliver the Menace" in an apology.
I mixed up Oliver the Mediocre with Oliver the Menace... it was an accident. My apologies. I've changed it to your NS name as you've requested.
Edited by unibot, May 25 2011, 02:48 AM.
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May 25 2011, 02:46 AM
Of course, this was to be expected. They had another channel, yet are blaming us because we wanted to exorcize our rights. Meh.

I don't see how we're blaming Sedgistan or CrazyGirl for anything, they simply were in the channel at a time when the military had deemed it inappropriate, it was not their fault, it was our fault for not having a channel set up to handle the situation specifically for non-rangers and rangers to coordinate their military operations. If this wasn't made clear in my statement, let it be known now.
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I don't like impeachment -- sounds quite a bit too harsh -- but definitely for any other course of action we may take to strongly condemn those recent events.

I think I've stated in the IRC channel that I don't feel strongly who should be the TSP Delegate, and thus I won't support any condemnation of the FRA's lib/overthrow/restoration -- seriously, I just don't care.

Uni, speaking personally to you, you really have fucked up quite a few times. I'd suggest you closely consider any future actions you take, because you seem to either not consider their possible consequences, or have trouble predicting how people would react.
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Spartan Termopylae
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Sooo....just leave the FRA? I don't understand it, it's function, it's organisation, or what we get out of it. I do understand a degree of pollitiking, and I've just seen some. An apology without any obvious signs of an apology? Politiking. I dislike politiking.

Judging from what I've just read about the events here, it seems that the FRA is doing a very good impersonation of NATO at the moment, attempting to remove from poer people who they don't know just because they replaced the friends of the FRA, or at least someone who knows of the FRA and knew that by claiming outside aggression that they could regain their exalted position. It's not something I want us to support, so I advocate leaving the FRA, lest we become victims of future"aggression in the name of liberation". Not a quote

Edit-My vote did register, point deleted
Edited by Spartan Termopylae, May 25 2011, 09:26 AM.
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May 25 2011, 06:35 AM
I don't like impeachment -- sounds quite a bit too harsh -- but definitely for any other course of action we may take to strongly condemn those recent events.
If the IRC issue were the only issue, I'd absolutely agree with you. It's just another minor issue indicative of a larger problem (which you hinted at later in your post).
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We've literally (ie 2 days ago) just finished voting on FRA membership. Impeachment seems to have strong support, let's get our Reps to give that a go before judging whether we want to reconsider membership.

Spartan Termopylae - the chief benefits are still the amount of support we can count on from them when threatened by invasion, and also the activity boost we get from having its members involved here. Those remain the case.
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Spartan Termopylae
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And what happens when we become a target? Who helps us when the fra decides we need liberating?
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Wopruthien
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The FRA will support Kandarin's nation, until and election deems a new delegate will take Kandarin's place.
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I really do hope the FRA wouldn't decide the legitimately-elected government of TRR should be overthrown.
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