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| Topic Started: Feb 12 2011, 01:10 AM (1,218 Views) | |
| Whamabama | Feb 12 2011, 01:10 AM Post #1 |
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Keeping in mind that I said I would do this, and also remembering what others have stated what our structure should be, I have drafted this short draft, but one that should fit within the guidelines of previous talks on the subject. |
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| Whamabama | Feb 12 2011, 01:10 AM Post #2 |
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The Constitution of The Rejected Realms Article 1. Preamble We the members of The Rejected Realms Herby establish, and ordain this constitution in order to provide governance, peaceful coexistence, and liberty to all nations within The Rejected Realms. Article 2. Citizenship Citizenship may be granted to any nation within The Rejected Realms, and that has a presence on the forum. Who assents to our constitution, laws, and regulations. Citizens are required to submit an application to the Council of Three for Approval. The Council of Three 1. The council of three shall consist of 3 citizens chosen by their peers, and should be fair, and sensible in their duties. 2. The Co3 responsibilities are to grant, or deny citizenship to Nations in the Rejected Realms. 3. The rules, and regulations to be used shall be the responsibility of the Assembly. Article 3. The WA Delegate 1. Controls the regional world factbook entry 2. Shall lead the regional assembly 3. Has Veto powers over the Assembly Article 4. Officers 1. Officers can be anyone nominated by at least 2 members of the assembly, and confirmed by a majority vote. 2. Officers have no set tasks, they can undertake any task that suits their interests, and helps the community. 3. There shall be no more than 4 officers at any one time. Article 4. Voting Citizen 1. Membership into the assembly shall be automatically granted to every citizen. 2. The Regional Assembly can create legislation defining it's functions, and responsibilities. 3. The regional Assembly shall create procedures for terminating membership within the Assembly as long as the criteria is clear, and not unreasonable. Article 5. Challenges Players interested in challenging the delegate, or an officer for the position has to abide by the challenge rules, and is limited to 1 challenge a month. During the time allotted to the challenge after the announcement, no new citizenship requests will be handled. Edited by Whamabama, Feb 12 2011, 03:22 AM.
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| sedge | Feb 12 2011, 01:29 AM Post #3 |
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I'll have a go at editing it tomorrow. It needs to expand on the Council of Three's role in deciding on citizenship applications, as well as the make-up of the Co3. The system of elections (for delegate/officers) needs to be added, as well as the powers of officers. Also, we've never agreed on giving the delegate veto powers over the assembly. |
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| Spartan Termopylae | Feb 12 2011, 01:43 AM Post #4 |
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Should it specify the frequency of elections? Like the States have them I think every four years, here it is every five, in theory, unless the government calls it early. Is that necessary, or is this just me talking out of my, ah, backside? |
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| sedge | Feb 12 2011, 01:53 AM Post #5 |
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We discussed the outline of the constitution here, and the preference seemed to be for a 'challenge' system, whereby there's no set elections, but a citizen can challenge the sitting delegate, so long as they meet certain (fairly simply) conditions. |
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| Whamabama | Feb 12 2011, 03:19 AM Post #6 |
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ya, alot of what I first posted, I was going off on pure memory. However after looking around, and being reminded. I have edited it appropriately. Probably doesn't help I was/am a bit sleepy. So I am sure I have missed a few things still, but should be a good step in the right direction. |
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| Biyah | Feb 12 2011, 05:25 AM Post #7 |
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I'm not sure I want to keep the Co3 as a permanent fixuture. It gives a lot of power to three people, permanently. ~B |
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| Northern Chittowa | Feb 12 2011, 02:50 PM Post #8 |
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A few things popped to mind when looking at this; 1) Is citizenship going to be legally defined in this document, or is that something for the assembly to look at later on? 2) I quite like the idea of keeping the council of three, however i do believe that the Co3 should include the delegate. I also take it that the assembly shall look at whether the Co3 are permanent members or if it is electable after so long, yes? 3) I think the delegate should have Veto power over the assembly and should, for the most part, be the most powerful position in the region. The delegate position is something that people should aspire for and hence the more power it has the more people will want to work hard for the region as a whole in order to have a chance of a successful challenge against whoever the incumbent may be at the time. |
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| sedge | Feb 12 2011, 02:55 PM Post #9 |
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What more needs to be said, aside from requirements/rights, which I think are more or less already there?
I wouldn't like to have the delegate in the Co3 - it's supposed to be more neutral, so you can't have claims that a delegate is rejecting applications from people who may vote against them. It's why Biblical Importance stepped down from the Co3 when he decided to run for delegate.
I disagree. The delegate is empowered to make decisions that aren't practical to have everyone vote on. If the citizens do vote on a law/alliance/constitutional amendment etc., then that is the will of the region, and the delegate should be bound by it. The delegate already has power over the WFE, WA voting policy, and the assignment of roles for officers - plus the prestige of the position. I think that's sufficient. |
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| Whamabama | Feb 13 2011, 01:55 AM Post #10 |
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I think having the delegate acting in the position of the executive is a good idea. and is a good counter to the assembly. After all democracy is 3 wolves, and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. It's not much of a counter, but still. |
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| sedge | Feb 14 2011, 12:58 AM Post #11 |
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The Constitution of The Rejected Realms Article 1: Preamble
Article 2: Citizenship
Article 3: The Council of Three
Article 4: The Assembly
Article 5: The WA Delegate
Article 6: The Challenge System - Delegate
Article 7: Officers
Article 8: The Challenge System - Officers
Article 9: Rejected Realms Army
Edited by sedge, Feb 15 2011, 11:34 PM.
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| sedge | Feb 14 2011, 12:58 AM Post #12 |
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How's that? |
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| Whamabama | Feb 14 2011, 02:15 PM Post #13 |
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I see four things right off. I will mention three now because of my limited time frame at the moment. The delegate as head of government. In this draft, it's only in title, in actuality the delegate has no more say than any other citizen. If the delegate is to act as executive, then the delegate needs executive power. In other words veto power. We are setting up a very limited government, but there should be at least this one check on the power of the assembly. Also membership in the assembly mentions members of the RRA who are not citizens are in it. That just doesn't look good. It makes it appear that people not citizens of the region are being granted membership. Perhaps it would be better to simply grant members in the RRA citizenship instead? Then you could add membership in the RRA as an additional method of gaining citizenship. |
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| Whamabama | Feb 14 2011, 02:15 PM Post #14 |
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Double post
Edited by Whamabama, Feb 14 2011, 03:24 PM.
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| sedge | Feb 14 2011, 02:41 PM Post #15 |
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The delegate does have executive power - the draft states that they're "Head of Government". I didn't explicitly spell out what that means, but it's generally accepted to include such things as running foreign affairs, recruiting (not really applicable to us), internal affairs etc. I disagree with your claim that executive powers = veto powers. The right to decide on legislation (laws, treaties, amendments) is a legislative power. It may be the case that the US President has veto power, but that's more to do with them being Head of State as well as Head of Government. I don't want the Delegate to have any more say than ordinary citizens over legislation - it sounds entirely wrong to give one person the right to veto majority decisions of our citizens. What the delegate should be responsible for, is the day-to-day running of the region's affairs.
There's very little difference between the two, but yes - I could make that change. Edited by sedge, Feb 14 2011, 02:41 PM.
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