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| Manetheren River [split posts] | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 29 2011, 01:48 AM (252 Views) | |
| CrazyGirl | Jan 29 2011, 01:48 AM Post #1 |
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Admin note: Posts split from Adding New Residents. These ones are specifically about granting Manetheren River residency, rather than the general topic of deciding how to process residency applications. His use of proxies makes it impossible for us to determine if he's not yet here already. Edited by sedge, Jan 29 2011, 06:28 AM.
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| Biyah | Jan 29 2011, 01:51 AM Post #2 |
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I don't think we can afford the PR hit by not letting him in. You've said before that he can join the forum under proxy. Until we can prove he wasnt just browsing as a guest, there's no clear way to keep him out. Unless we want to deal with the fallout of blocking potential residents. ~B |
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| CrazyGirl | Jan 29 2011, 01:53 AM Post #3 |
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The forum, yes. But becoming a resident and getting a voice here, is a different matter. I think everyone can understand that we need to make sure we don't get a horde of puppets here. Letting him join the residents using a proxy, would set a bad precedent. |
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| Biyah | Jan 29 2011, 01:54 AM Post #4 |
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He knows the forum exists, and we can't prove he's anyone else. Right now the old gentleman's club he mentioned is just a fantasy of his imagination, but if we block him for just that reason, he'll have ammo to use. Personally, I don't much like him, but between him an Anur, they can cause problems for any legitimate attempt we make at forming a government in the near future. We let a known troll in (Anur), Manetheren has at least been willing to listen to reason up until this point. ~B |
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| Biyah | Jan 29 2011, 02:07 AM Post #5 |
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Double post. This is posted with permission, an IRC Conversation between both of us. I agree that it is somewhat distasteful to add someone who is admittedly under proxy. However, we'll continue taking a PR hit if we don't allow him in. If he proves to be a security threat, he can be removed again. Anyway - we're leaving it up for discussion.
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| sedge | Jan 29 2011, 05:19 AM Post #6 |
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Well the Co3 was given a bit of leeway in making decisions, and clearly Manetheren River's application would need to be debated, given his use of a proxy to access the forums. |
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| Biyah | Jan 29 2011, 05:23 AM Post #7 |
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He's given reasons, distasteful as they might be (I'm vengeful, remember). from a political point of view, it's almost a necessity that he get added. I would advocate differently if there were any secrets here. Mane has distanced himself from Anur, but his argument about an exclusionary government is still intact. ~B |
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| Biyah | Jan 29 2011, 05:35 AM Post #8 |
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Again, double post and quoted with permission. This is a quick log to show another viewpoint. Basically, TRR used a proposal put forth from this guy. It would be incredibly impolitic to block him now.
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| sedge | Jan 29 2011, 06:11 AM Post #9 |
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Yep, that's a good reason - and if we do let the Co3 make the decision, I imagine that'd be taken into account. However, we still need to hear from other citizens to make sure they're OK with the Co3 continuing in the role it had during the elections. |
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| Biyah | Jan 29 2011, 06:20 AM Post #10 |
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Actually, could I request a split? We went something off topic. The Manetheren Stuff probably belongs in its own discussion. ~B |
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| sedge | Jan 29 2011, 06:21 AM Post #11 |
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Which posts do you want split? |
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| Biyah | Jan 29 2011, 06:27 AM Post #12 |
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There. The other thread wasn't meant to be entirely about Manetheren River, I just used him as our example. Now we can continue arguing his validity without burying the original topic ![]() ~B |
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| Naivetry | Jan 29 2011, 09:58 AM Post #13 |
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Maybe a compromise? ('cause, you know, that's what I do... )As I see it, the only real worry about Manetheren's use of proxies is the potential that he's already here under another name, thus giving one player two votes. So how about we give him access and posting permissions, but just not voting rights for as long as he chooses to continue using a proxy? That would remove the largest part of the security risk. He seems to be worried that we'll go after his other identity somehow if we know who he is. I don't think there's anything we can do to reassure him about that, but I think he'll understand that we can't let him vote while he's using it, for the same reason - security. As for keeping conversations here private to residents - well, Manetheren certainly is one. He's a WA nation who's been in TRR for months, now, and everything I've seen from him suggests that he's interested in the region for its own sake, even if he disagrees with some of us on just what that means. We need more people like that. They're the heart and soul of any community, and in a feeder they're as rare as they are precious. If we keep the Co3 as a provisional group, it'll be their decision, of course. That's just my opinion. Edited by Naivetry, Jan 29 2011, 10:17 AM.
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| Biyah | Jan 29 2011, 10:24 AM Post #14 |
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Ah. You break that to him, he'll shred us ![]() I suppose it's about as good a compromise as we'll get. Works for me. ~B |
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