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Removal of Anur Sanur's; residence status
Topic Started: Jan 28 2011, 11:37 PM (488 Views)
Whamabama
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Given the threat that Anur_sanur poses to the region, I herby make a motion to remove his status here as a resident, at least until his endorsement count goes down, and he shows no more signs of endo-tarting.

I don't make this suggestion lightly, and I know this is TRR where everyone should have a second chance, but at the same time we don't have the same safeguards as other regions, and should not reward someone who is threatening the region by granting them the right to vote, and to help us sort out how we operate in here. When they clearly have show ample signs they are not interested in the process, but instead taking the region as their own.
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I fully agree.

Anur has shown every indication of tarting, and only being a resident to troll the region and disrupt any honest attempt to get things moving.

Leave him on the board, but not as a resident. And if this is going to happen, make it a full vote so he can't bitch about Administrator bias.

~B
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Here is another reason, I still talk to Neenee, we just don't discuss operational tactics since I'm obviously on TRR's side.

Anur is involved in treachery.

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08:25.35pm <Neenee> However, I'm going to beat the shit out of Anur.
08:25.40pm <Biyah> LOL!
08:25.57pm <Neenee> The day before I started to lose endos, he was IMing me about working together and all that shit.
08:26.09pm <Biyah> ...
08:26.12pm <Neenee> I told him I didn't trust him, but I'd consider his ideas and get back to him.
08:26.15pm <Biyah> oh, can I please, PLEASE, quote that?
08:26.18pm <Neenee> And asked him to do whatever he'd been doing.
08:26.30pm <Neenee> Because it was diverting some attention.
08:26.37pm <Biyah> It'll get his ass kicked it TRR
08:26.38pm <Neenee> I dunno if it was.
08:26.56pm <Neenee> Quote it, sure.
08:26.59pm <Biyah> YES!
08:27.02pm <Neenee> Anur-Sur or whatever, right
08:27.10pm <Neenee> We're thinking of the same guy
08:27.28pm <Neenee> the one that had campaigned -for- me at the start of his little existence here in TRR



I call for his immediate removal as a security threat.

Edit: Damn quote tag
Edited by Biyah, Jan 29 2011, 02:31 AM.
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Anur-Sanur
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the testimony of Angel, the enemy, is being admitted as evidence?

she obviously wants to get rid of me, even more reason for my residency not to be removed.
I would assume she views my own high endo count as a threat to her, so she is trying to pick us off.

Furthermore, I am a resident of TRR. Using this bs testimony to label me as anything other is ridiculous.
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You have got to be kidding. She wants someone gone, and the one she chooses, is you? Nee is very aware of the people here, what we know, and can do. Yet you claim she is threatened not by one of us, but by you?

That hilarious! LMAO
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why would she be threatened by you?
I have one of the largest endo counts, how is that not a threat to someone trying to tart up to the delegacy?



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Biyah
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Anur:

It’s time for a story, a bit of history to lighten the evening. Once upon a time, during the height of the Cold War, the US and USSR traded information that was mutually beneficial. It was always done quietly, but the results were usually spectacular.

With that in mind, did you seriously think Nee would let you rampage over her plans (and, coincidentally, our own) without mentioning it, without any repercussions?

You don't give Neenee or the security types here in TRR any credit for intelligence. Neenee isn't going to do anything to hurt her own cause, and allying with you would be the worst thing she could possibly do. You've already proven you're unstable.

Hell, I’ll let her speak for herself:
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Neenee: I trust JAL more than this guy. Do what you do.
Biyah: *grins
Biyah: My pleasure.


That says something, JAL betrayed many of us several times. Congrats, you’ve made just about everyone’s shit list in the last week. :)

You're a fool. Did you seriously think you could run a disinformation and unendo campaign in this manner? The height of your arrogance is amazing.

So without further ado... I'll let you speak for yourself from now on. Thank you for proving so clearly what you really are.

(oh, by the way, good luck selling me anything Anur. I’m one of the most paranoid men in this game. )

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Session Start (email removed): Fri Jan 28 19:03:20 2011 -0800
[19:03] AS: your loss of endos was engineered by CG
[19:03] AS: the two endos you got back were due to the actions of my puppet, Alldahive
[19:04] AS: the fact that you talked to me the day before it happened was a concidence, now i have to deal with what you have provided Biyah
[19:06] Neenee: Have you got proof it was engineered by CG?
[19:06] AS: yes, check the forum where she heavily hints that it was her work
[19:06] AS: further, ask the two nations who decided to endorse you back
[19:06] AS: about alldahive
[19:07] AS: i quickly used that puppet to telegram everyone who unendorsed you, to try to reverse the momentum generated
[19:07] AS: i'm going to say you framed me, on the TRR board, because you saw me as a threat with my high endo count
[19:08] AS: i'll need you to eventually sell this to Biyah
[19:08] AS: i think the topic is M. River discussion thread, its not resident locked so you should see it, CG addresses your falling endos, and hints that she did it.
i am confident it was her
[19:10] Neenee: The source that provided me information that you were responsible for some of what I was losing is reliable.
[19:11] Neenee: Even if in this case, this person was wrong, I still have an issue with you.
[19:11] AS: wait
[19:11] Neenee: I had specifically asked you -not- to campaign for me. I don't care if you are using a puppet. I asked you more than once.
[19:11] Neenee: You should have waited until I was actually around.
[19:11] Neenee: I do -work- and am not here 24/7.
[19:11] AS: i wasn't campaigning, it was an emergency, your endorsements were droping and i had to reverse the momentum
[19:12] AS: i'd like to know who told you I was behind it
[19:12] Neenee: No.
[19:12] Neenee: You're insane if you think I'd reveal a private source of information.
[19:12] AS: its not a source of information to me, its someone who is gunning for me
[19:12] Neenee: Also, when it comes to -my- nation and what is happening to it, I will decide what is an emergency.
[19:13] Neenee: Not you.
[19:13] Neenee: I will decide how to react. You have no authority with what I am doing.
[19:13] AS: i didn't speak on your behalf. Alldahive merely suggested to the nations that they act on their own impulses rather than unendorsing you simply because someone else told them to
[19:13] Neenee: You're splitting hairs.
[19:14] Neenee: It is my nation, and my operation. If you wanted to do that, you needed to wait until I was home to talk to me about it.
[19:14] Neenee: Do you understand?
[19:14] AS: understood
[19:15] Neenee: Do you understand this is a bigger issue because this is not the first general incident of this nature with you?
[19:15] AS: yes, but respectfully, i tailored my action in a way that I didn't think you would find disagreeable
[19:15] AS: a discreet pupet telegram is not the same as blasting your name across NS
[19:15] AS: even so
[19:16] AS: next time i will consult with you
[19:16] AS: before any and all such action
[19:16] Neenee: You will not 'consult' me. You will ask permission.
[19:16] AS: that is what i meant to say
[19:16] Neenee: You will not simply tell me about it, you will wait until I say 'ok'
[19:16] AS: perhaps we should formalize this relationship
[19:17] Neenee: Formalization? I'm in charge, and you are not.
[19:18] Neenee: Formalization means that this needs to be done properly, and you haven't yet.
[19:18] AS: i just mean, a formal place to submit ideas for your approval
[19:18] AS: for example, M. River and I could submit ideas for your approval
[19:18] AS: also I assume you are not acting alone
[19:19] AS: perhaps a private forum sort of thing?
[19:19] Neenee: Don't assume.
[19:19] AS: well i know you aren't working alone
[19:19] Neenee: How? What makes you believe that?
[19:19] AS: you just told me
[19:19] Neenee: What?
[19:19] AS: you just told me someone informed you I was the cause of the loss of endorsements
[19:19] AS: therefore you aren't working alone
[19:20] Neenee: LOL
[19:20] Neenee: a source is not the same thing as not working alone.
[19:20] AS: i won't dispute this any further
[19:21] AS: what happens now? i need to recover from the weapon you have given Biyah
[19:21] AS: and have you talked to M. River?
[19:21] Neenee: No, I have not yet.
[19:22] Neenee: And as for what happens now. Figure it out. I obviously believe my source has merit, and I don't trust you too much. I'm willing to concede that you aren't to blame for all of it. I have what I need to know CG did part of it.
[19:22] AS: i didn't do any of it
[19:22] Neenee: So, say what you need to.
[19:23] AS: your source is screwing with you
[19:23] AS: unless your suggesting im a double agent against myself o_0
[19:23] Neenee: brb
[19:29] Neenee: What I am suggesting is that you aren't being upfront about what you want with me, and/or are trying to endear yourself to me by trying to stop a loss of endos you helped cause.
[19:30] Neenee: It's a tactic that I'd use given the proper chance.
[19:32] AS: well i can't dissprove you, because you are merely speculating
[19:32] AS: except to say that is completly iditoic
[19:32] AS: why would I want to endear myself to you if i was working to make you irrelevant?
[19:33] Neenee: You really don't get it...
[19:33] Neenee: ok.
[19:33] Neenee: That will have to wait till later.
[19:33] AS: i do get the strategy
[19:33] Neenee: I'm going to have dinner.
[19:33] Neenee: We can continue later.
[19:33] AS: i'll be gone in an hour
[19:33] AS: until then i'll be here

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Anur-Sanur
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i don't understand how this proves that i was behind Angel's loss of endorsements, I wasn't.
what "disinformation and unendo campaign" are you talking about exactly?
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Whamabama
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my dear boy Nee isn't threatened by me, or anyone else, but if she wanted someone gone, she would try to get rid of the one person she knows that has the capability to do her the most damage in her plans. I am not saying that person is me. However I am head of two armies, I am experienced in feeder warfare. In other words I know what I am doing, and am capable of doing it pretty quickly if I so choose. and I am not the most experienced, or the most well known for it, so I doubt it would be me anyway she would go after.

but what have you got? Endos, a trained monkey can get those. You better have more than that. All those endos do is point you out to be the threat I have stated you as being.
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Jan 29 2011, 04:25 AM
i don't understand how this proves that i was behind Angel's loss of endorsements, I wasn't.
what "disinformation and unendo campaign" are you talking about exactly?
... you're not going to endround the entire point by trying to focus on one section of my opening paragraph.

sorry, boyo, you're toast.
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i'm not i already figured out the game here, i was just wondering on that point.

Pristine Angel isn't a threat.

She hangs there as a false threat, any real threat will try to talk to her, she then sells them out to you, boosting your credibility.

Very intelligent. Both you and her want Nai in power, and this "Pristine Angel" is a way to use fear to do so.
CG isn't in the loop, which is why she engineered the endo loss, but it doesn't matter, Angel will still be portrayed as a threat used to keep Nai in power.

Biyah, Nai, and Neenee own this region and I congratulate you.
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Jan 29 2011, 04:25 AM
i don't understand how this proves that i was behind Angel's loss of endorsements, I wasn't.
what "disinformation and unendo campaign" are you talking about exactly?
It doesn't prove you was the cause of her loss of endorsements dummy, it proves you were working with her. and most importantly against us.
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Whamabama
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Jan 29 2011, 04:33 AM
i'm not i already figured out the game here, i was just wondering on that point.

Pristine Angel isn't a threat.

She hangs there as a false threat, any real threat will try to talk to her, she then sells them out to you, boosting your credibility.

Very intelligent. Both you and her want Nai in power, and this "Pristine Angel" is a way to use fear to do so.
CG isn't in the loop, which is why she engineered the endo loss, but it doesn't matter, Angel will still be portrayed as a threat used to keep Nai in power.

Biyah, Nai, and Neenee own this region and I congratulate you.
:rofl: Just can't stand it that because you acted the same way with her, as you do here, she turned you in? :rofl:

Oh ya, this is amusing.Keep on, I am having a blast!
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ROFL!

Oh, you're a blast. No, Nee is not trying to keep Nai in the seat. She doesnt trust you though, which means she was quite eager to burn you.

there's a distinct difference. *sniggers*

And through it all, you're still trying to turn attention away from your own actions. You've lied, schemed and basically made an ass of yourself.

~B
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I'm not trying to deny anything, my campaign is over.
You have ended it, congratulations.

As part of my surrender, I submit this conversation with Neenee I had that she referenced.
Before that, I want to say that you are all quite adept, far more so than TEP and others.
Anur's work here is done, I hope you don't ban me from the forum...as I would like to check in from time to time.
As for the nation, I will stay in the WA and continue to tart out of habit until I figure another place to put the nation.
I have plenty else in NS to busy myself with.

and now for the conversation:

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Neenee says:
Ok, what's up?
AS says:
hello, can you start by explaining your goals in TRR?
AS says:
beyond taking the delegacy I mean
Neenee says:
I'm curious as to why, beyond you being a concerned resident. Your initial start in the region didn't exactly endear you to me, and, quite frankly, I don't really trust you.
AS says:
why don't you trust me? my goal is to free TRR, as I feel it is caged
Neenee says:
I don't trust you because of the inital method you used. Someone who starts campaigning for someone else with no proper contact first makes me feel iffy.
Neenee says:
Especially in a coup situation.
AS says:
well i feel we should move beyond that, that was in error
Neenee says:
Why should I deal with you?
Neenee says:
I don't know who you are. And first impressions are hard to move beyond.
Neenee says:
And, I've been in this game a long time. It's nurtured paranoia.
AS says:
first, if you please, i haven't asked you for anything save for an explanation of your goals. i'm not really asking you for anything.
Neenee says:
I'm going to take the region and make it great.
Neenee says:
It has potential.
Neenee says:
And none of it is being tapped.
AS says:
agreed
AS says:
however
AS says:
can i ask what you think is wrong with it? this will help determine if we see it the same way
Neenee says:
Inactivity, the forum, and, this may be a bit of bias since I don't care for either one, CG and Sedge.
Neenee says:
Nai is great and a wonderful person, but with those two there, she can never do what she needs.
Neenee says:
I however, don't have the same moral restrictions she seems to have.
AS says:
agree with you on the first part, but I find the distinction between Nai and Sedge&CG hard to detect. do you mean to say she is holding back?
Neenee says:
Not particularly.
Neenee says:
It's the way their personalities interact.
Neenee says:
In my opinion, she can never make the region -hers-
Neenee says:
And, in a feeder, the delegate needs to be assertive and active.
AS says:
so you want it to be her's? the rejected realms, a game created region, should belong to her?
Neenee says:
Are you aware of any of my history?
AS says:
yes
AS says:
i am TEP after all
Neenee says:
Then you should have a good idea of how I view the role of the delegate.
AS says:
unfourtnately, this is different
Neenee says:
No, it's not.
Neenee says:
She's the delegate of a feeder.
AS says:
well let me explain
Neenee says:
According to the game, she's in charge.
Neenee says:
She just can't get rid of opposition.
AS says:
okay first I will address that statement
AS says:
her delegacy is unorthodox, she was no elected by the residents, the delegate was transferred
AS says:
so...
Neenee says:
So nothing.
AS says:
unlike TEP where you totally gutted the system as an outsider, here you are furthering someone already in the game
Neenee says:
The delegate, who is in charge, decided to -give- his nation to someone else, thus keeping the nation delegate, just changing ownership.
AS says:
Naivetry would be better served if she never interacted with CG/Sedge in the first place
Neenee says:
It'sbeen done.
AS says:
yes, but not the convential way. So it is not fair to say she won the delegacy and is now in charge
Neenee says:
Besides, it took people too long to bitch about it. By the time they noticed, it had been at least 2 weeks.
Neenee says:
Fair?
AS says:
if she is with you, why doesn't she resign Kandarin and have you hold it until she can tart up?
Neenee says:
Since when is fairness an issue?
Neenee says:
She isn't with me.
Neenee says:
She's asked me to stop.
AS says:
so your plan is to help her make the region great...by overthrowing her?
Neenee says:
I'm not helping her.
Neenee says:
I don't think she can do it.
Neenee says:
So I will.
AS says:
fine, then I want to help you
Neenee says:
I've seen how you help once, I'm not sure I want it.
Neenee says:
Trust is a -huge- issue with me, and you haven't got it.
AS says:
my intial actions were in error, and I don't see how much damage i could cause you
Neenee says:
Have you done the Gameplay much before now?
AS says:
to a point
AS says:
please be more direct in what you are asking
Neenee says:
Do you know what you are doing, or are you figuring it out as you go along?
AS says:
my actions can be impulsive, such as my intial attempts in TRR. however, i do know what I am doing. I've been around since 2006
AS says:
not as Anur-Sanur of course
Neenee says:
Who were you?
AS says:
is that needed?
Neenee says:
You know my history, and I think by now from that and this conversation you have a fair idea of who I am that you'd be working with. I'd like the same courtesy.
Neenee says:
All I'd like is a name. I don't judge from past actions, unless you're like JAL and have burned me a few times.
AS says:
Each of my nations is one of its own, unless they are puppets and then it is obvious.
My first nation was Old Iran, that is your name. I don't believe any of my past actions would interest you very much.
AS says:
the nation is mod deleted
AS says:
for being impulsive
AS says:
now, I have an idea
Neenee says:
Anur-Sanur raises an eyebrow
Neenee says:
ok
Neenee says:
What is it?
AS says:
well, their are several problems in your way as I see it
Neenee says:
Not really, no.
AS says:
really? there are no problems?
Neenee says:
None that are not managable.
AS says:
i didn't say they weren't managable, i wouldn't raise a nonmanagable problem that would be a dead end
AS says:
dead ends annoy me
Neenee says:
What problems do you see?
AS says:
Mainly, the air of legitimacy that Nai, now Kandarin, enjoys
AS says:
as in, regarded as the legitimate delegate- by the elitle community- the more involved, and the casual player- by virtue of the fact that Kandarin is the delegate/seems responsible, that sort of thing
AS says:
in order for you to succeed, this legitimacy must be crushed
AS says:
would you agree up to this point?
Neenee says:
Sort of. All of that is managable with propoganda and can be spun around as needed. After I take the seat, it becomes easier.
Neenee says:
Legitimacy has never been an issue to me before.
Neenee says:
See, TEP.
AS says:
that is different, Gnidrah was viewd as incompetent and you had outstanding numbers
Neenee says:
It's not so different. I overthrew the recognized, legit delegate.
Neenee says:
I just laid a nice foundation for it pointing out his flaws.
Neenee says:
I can do the same here.
Neenee says:
I gather that my timeline is different than yours.
AS says:
i understand your point but I feel you must concede Kandarin is viewed in higher esteem. I feel we must plan to destroy the legitmacy now.
otherwise if you taste the delegacy, you will be branded an invader and quickly be overthrown.
Neenee says:
I'm going to be branded an invader no matter what.
AS says:
the propaganda must begin now, which is where my idea comes in
AS says:
first i have to ask what you think, which is a greater threat to you, the casual player being against you or the elites?
Neenee says:
The threat is the people who know what they are doing, whether they are causal or seasoned.
Neenee says:
But
Neenee says:
get to the point.
Neenee says:
Seriously.
Neenee says:
If you have an idea, spit it out.
Neenee says:
I'm not that patient a woman.
AS says:
okay, i just thought we might consider using the greatest propaganda tool in the game, the Security Council
AS says:
Condemn the Rejected Realms
Neenee says:
Oh, you're one of THOSE players.
Neenee says:
I get it now.
AS says:
no
AS says:
i'm not a UN/WA
AS says:
i've never written/drafted one, it is merely a way to get the masses on our side
AS says:
Condemn the current leadership, if it reaches the council it will be seen throughout the game
AS says:
the elite community of CG/Sedge will not be able to contain it
AS says:
there is no rebuttal, the proposal sits there
Neenee says:
Do you think the average, casual player pays that much attention to those?
AS says:
yes
Neenee says:
No.
AS says:
i mean
AS says:
not like you or i
AS says:
but they vote
Neenee says:
I don't pay -any- attention to those.
AS says:
they don't need to understand it, they just need to vote
Neenee says:
In fact, I don't touch that forum anymore.
AS says:
i understand why, but we aren't using it how it is designed, we would be manipulating it
AS says:
think of the benefits
Neenee says:
I'll consider it.
AS says:
we will win the masses
AS says:
okay, think about it
Neenee says:
As for now, if you want to help, continue doing what you are doing. Not in my name, just whatever you've been doing.
AS says:
the key is, it would have to be well written, i only have a draft of ideas...but it isn't crafted right
AS says:
what is it i've been doing exactly?
Neenee says:
It's keeping people distracted some.
Neenee says:
I dunno
Neenee says:
I keep seeing your name pop up in random conversations I've paid attention to.
AS says:
yes that is because i have been quite the rabble rouser
Neenee says:
There you go.
Neenee says:
Keep doing that.
Neenee says:
It keeps the waters murky.
AS says:
well i am being shut out, but i will try
AS says:
also
Neenee says:
They know I am there, but they have to keep dealing with you. You see what I mean?
AS says:
have you talked to M. River?
Neenee says:
Once or twice. I'm going to try again.
AS says:
he is a good writer, a good candidate for writing the resolution, he has good ideas
AS says:
i suspected he was you...you should talk to him
Neenee says:
LOL
Neenee says:
no, not me
Neenee says:
I will try to talk to him again.
AS says:
okay, i have contacted him as well
AS says:
so consider my idea...and tg me once you have mulled it over
AS says:
i'll keep the waters murky as you say
Neenee says:
Alright. I'll be in touch.
AS says:
bye





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