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| The use of Kandarin | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 19 2011, 06:11 AM (1,334 Views) | |
| Naivetry | Jan 19 2011, 06:11 AM Post #1 |
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There are a few issues I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on, before we go much further. 1) Now that elections are over, we have a choice between attempting to switch the Delegate nation to my puppet, [nation]Lirantha[/nation], or just keeping [nation]Kandarin[/nation] in the Delegacy. For reasons discussed elsewhere, I think keeping Kandarin is by far the safest choice. Several people have voiced their opinion on the issue so far, but I'd like to make sure everyone has a chance to chime in. 2) It's been suggested in private that I should change something minor about the nation's settings in order to make it clear that [nation]Kandarin[/nation] is under new management. I'm not sure what that would accomplish at this stage - generally the people who care already know - but I'm willing to entertain the discussion if anyone wants to make a case for it. 3) At this point, I do intend to continue posting on the RMB using [nation]Kandarin[/nation], though I expect it will be a while before it stops feeling weird. I've been signing as Nai each time, and will probably continue that. But I'd like to know if it bothers other people - in which case, I'll try to keep it down to things that need a response from the sitting Delegate. |
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| Anur-Sanur | Jan 19 2011, 05:29 PM Post #2 |
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On point 1: I won't go into detail as I've already made points about this, but on record for this thread I advocate that you switch the delegate to Lirantha. On point 3: I would submit that you should only post on the RMB as Kandarin when absolutely necessary. Engaging in common conversation with the nation is in excess of your duties and the reasons for you controlling the nation. |
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| Northern Chittowa | Jan 19 2011, 06:03 PM Post #3 |
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Personally i feel that this is a new era for TRR and should be treated as such - In other words, drop Kandarin and use Lirantha. Yes there are security risks, but if things are done correctly (and there are those with experience in this region of doing things similar to this, i.e refounding) then i can't see why those risks can't be managed. Saying that, Kandarin is now your nation Nai, so if you chose to keep it as delegate instead then that is entirely within your rights to do so. |
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| Wopruthien | Jan 19 2011, 06:48 PM Post #4 |
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I'd actually like to see your nation used, despite the obvious logistical nightmare it will cause. |
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| CrazyGirl | Jan 19 2011, 08:00 PM Post #5 |
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Point 1: I really don't see the need to switch nations, since Kandarin is now Nai's nation. This is not just maintaining it, or safekeeping. This full ownership of the nation. I do see several problems, risks and headaches concerning a switch, and I believe the benefits here do not outweigh the downsides. Not by a long shot. Point 2: Don't care, your call ![]() Point 3: Also your call, don't care ![]() For those who don't get it: The player who used to control Kandarin didn't just have the player behind Naivetry babysit his nation. He gave it to her, it's her property now. |
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| sedge | Jan 19 2011, 08:05 PM Post #6 |
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Admin Slave
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I don't think that switching is either necessary or wise. |
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| Whamabama | Jan 19 2011, 11:00 PM Post #7 |
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I would keep Kandarin, and use Kandarin. Talk with Kandarin. Kandarin is the delegate, and should converse with the natives as any delegate would, and should do. The delegate should appear as friendly as we know she is. Not as someone who sits there, and doesn't give a rip. Kandarin = Naivetry = Kandarin. It's the same person. |
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Those who don't create, dictate The structure of our world and preach hate | |
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| Anur-Sanur | Jan 20 2011, 12:58 AM Post #8 |
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i really have several problems with the "Keep Kandarin" (my label) crowd. The two points: 1. The Keep Kandarin crowd is simply acting out of expediency 2. They seem to lack a respect for histories, legacy, general bookkeeping. I'm going to try using the spoiler tool to expand on the two points to spare sedge from having to look at walls of text Spoiler: click to toggle I would also like to point out that Whamabama comes from Naivetry's home region. As such I don't expect any respect for TRR's history, and his wholehearted support of Naivetry is as understandable as it is disgusting. Once again the argument that "Kandarin = Naivetry = Kandarin" is complete fallacy. Whamabama would see all of Kandarin's actions and achievements before the handover become attributed with Naivetry. Honestly I don't understand why he continues to be in this debate, other than to support a fellow Equilism nation. Perhaps he wouldn't be so callous if one of the founding fathers of Equilism was in question. |
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| Whamabama | Jan 20 2011, 01:26 AM Post #9 |
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Questionably Evil
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I think the keep Kandarin crowd is actually making a good point. Won't be any good if the elected leader looses what she was elected to do. and as far as book keeping, and history, Naivetry is one of the players in this game that holds history very important. but she can expand on that better than I. but most importantly Naivetry owns the nation Kandarin, same as all the other nations she owns. To say she doesn't own it, is dense. As far as me, everyone here knows I have residency in Equilism, anyone who can read can clearly see it in my signature. I also hold membership in TNP, and TWP. I also consider the player who had Kandarin before Nai as a friend. I am aware of what he did in NS probably more so than yourself. Same can probably be said I know more about TRR history. As far as the nation Equility, the founding nation of Equilism, he has been gone a number of years now, and so has a few folks who held it after he left. It's not callous to say that the owner of a nation, is in fact the owner of that nation. As far as why I am here. Your theory is quite amusing, a bit insulting, but amusing never the less. Am I here simply because anouther member of Equilism is here? No, if I was to join every region that every Equilism resident was a part of, I would go insane trying to keep up. Am I here because Naivetry is a friend perhaps. well it does help I will admit. but most importantly I am friends of other TRR residence. The player who was Kandarin as noted before. I am also good friends of CrazyGirl. (I certaintly wouldn't marry a stranger now would I? )Oh ya CG, this is for you.
Edited by Whamabama, Jan 20 2011, 01:46 AM.
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| Anur-Sanur | Jan 20 2011, 01:44 AM Post #10 |
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Your first point is idiotic, she wouldn't lose the delegacy by giving it to Lirantha. That's the nation she ran with anyway. Your second point dismisses all I said about history by saying Naivetry will explain it. Honestly do you have to plug her in all the time? Your third point is also idiotic, because I never said she didn't own Kandarin. I remarked on the special circumstances regarding this ownership and the responsibility of said ownership, as Kandarin is not merely a puppet, unless that is your opinion. Your fourth point/paragraph is all guesswork and unverifiable. The end of it repeats the simplistic argument of your third point. You have been here since Feb 2009 and posted 21 times. I don't know how you are measuring your contributions to TRR but I certainly can not see it. Most of the posts have been about Equilism. I can sum up your post as disappointing, misleading, and simplistic. edited for spelling error Edited by Anur-Sanur, Jan 20 2011, 01:45 AM.
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| Whamabama | Jan 20 2011, 01:51 AM Post #11 |
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Actually if you read what I said. I said.
This means that she can explain how she views NS history far better than I can tell you how she views NS history. As far as the rest of your post, I don't need to say anything. I am sure others can probably read my mind at this point.
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| Rozonia | Jan 20 2011, 02:27 AM Post #12 |
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My personal preference would be for Naivetry to use Lirantha. I agree that it would be simpler and probably safer to keep Kandarin as Delegate, and I can understand if Naivetry decides to do so, but using Lirantha would highlight the very real distinction between the original Kandarin and Nai/Kandarin. |
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| Dyr Nasad | Jan 20 2011, 04:59 AM Post #13 |
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1 - It would be a lot of work to switch, and not really worth it - I actually thought that you would want to switch and we'd have to talk you out of it ![]() 2 - If you really want to ![]() 3 - Its your nation - might as well use it to post, but signing your posts would be nice |
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| Biyah | Jan 20 2011, 06:17 AM Post #14 |
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Keep the nation. Neenee is too close to risk a run, it would take a lot more effort to get Lirantha into position. I have always been security minded, and fiddling with the delegacy (and throwing out the power and mystique of the name) is simply foolish when everything is already in position. Further, anyone who doesnt know you're not the original Kandarin by now is blind and deaf, and won't care anyway. Lastly, you were given the nation. And the election is over, you the player are delegate on more than the virtue of having been gifted a delegacy. Whatever other nitwits say, You're now Kandarin, and that's that. Use it as you will. ~B Edit: HA, I can edit! Edited by Biyah, Jan 20 2011, 07:45 AM.
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| Biyah | Jan 20 2011, 07:05 AM Post #15 |
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High Priest of the Cult
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I'd have added this to my other post, but I can't edit. Sorry for the double post.
Actually, the founding father of Equilism has been under someone else’s control for years. Right now it's WestWind, I think. And a lot of us come from gameplay, where control of nations is not a big deal, we've gotten used it it. I'd like to note I'm also an Equilism'ite, and your argument here is so foolish as to boggle the imagination. Your insinuation that someone from another region couldn’t/wouldn’t respect the history of TRR is quite insulting, too, especially since some of us have been in both longer than you've been around. In my case, much longer, you 2.5 billion population wonder. History belongs to the player, as well as to the nation. The exploits of Kandarin, as played by D, will always be quite separate from the exploits of Kandaran, as played by Nai. The fact you give people no credit for having intelligence or the ability to perceive the differences in one owner versus another is, at best, insulting. ~B |
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Am I here simply because anouther member of Equilism is here? No, if I was to join every region that every Equilism resident was a part of, I would go insane trying to keep up. Am I here because Naivetry is a friend perhaps. well it does help I will admit. but most importantly I am friends of other TRR residence. The player who was Kandarin as noted before. I am also good friends of CrazyGirl. (I certaintly wouldn't marry a stranger now would I?
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