| Welcome to The Rejected Realms, NationStates' ejection-free zone! You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you can only view some areas of the board and you can only post in the Troubleshooting and Suggestions forum. If you register an account, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customising your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Register now! If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features: |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2
| Delegacy talk [split] | |
|---|---|
| Topic Started: Jan 4 2011, 12:56 AM (497 Views) | |
| Anur-Sanur | Jan 4 2011, 12:56 AM Post #1 |
|
Dedicated
|
thank you Naivetry for the answer and for explaining your views. i have only one more question to ask of you. The question is about Kandarin. Many (myself included) have a negative view of the handover. I believe continued use of Kandarin is completely wrong, and will also hurt us abroad. Already regions like the South Pacific have refused our embassy requests because of the nature of the handover. Will you pledge to step Kandarin down and put up your own nation to assume the delegacy if elected? I know there are problems with security, but I believe these can be overcome. I don't think fear should be used to keep Kandarin in power. If I vote for you, I want to know what nation is taking the delegacy. I want to know it won't be Kandarin. |
![]() |
|
| CrazyGirl | Jan 4 2011, 06:28 AM Post #2 |
|
RRA Commander
|
As a note: I was one of the first (if not the first) to speak out against the handover the way it was done. Kandarin is but a nation, which can be given away at will as has been done many times in the past, and will be done many times in the future. The issue was (is) that he also gave away the delegacy of the RR without consulting anyone about it. Should Naivetry be elected as delegate, it really doesn't matter which nation she uses. Kandarin is now one of her puppet nations, given to her by the player formerly behind Kandarin. As I feel the security of the region is one of my responsibilities (as it has been for many years) I told Naivetry that for the sake of security, I would prefer her to continue using the Kandarin nation should she be elected. I also doubt the South Pacific would (can) have any problem with whichever puppet nation she wants to use when she has been rightfully elected. Nor do I believe we should let another region's opinion make such decisions for us. |
![]() |
|
| Thought Transference | Jan 4 2011, 06:16 PM Post #3 |
|
professional loafer
|
Like Crazy Girl, I was not in favour of the handover of nation-Kandarin when I heard about it. I PM'ed Kandarin-D (original Kandarin) when I first learned of his intention to hand over, to express my concerns (unfortunatelly I was too late to make a difference). Until now I've expressed my preference for Nai/Lirantha to use a nation of her own as Delegate if she wins. I even have gone so far as to consider whether there shouldn't be some kind of special government position created in honour of the Kandarin Years, perhaps some kind of "Delegate Emeritus" status that could be conferred on nation-Kandarin. Now I have to say that after a lot of wrestling with this, I'm beginning to shift on practical grounds away from my initial belief. It's not that I've changed my mind about the things I wrote to Kandarin-D, but like the rest of us I've had to say 'what's done is done', and I've addressed myself to dealing with the situation as we have it now. Recently, I started wondering what would be involved in the procedure of transferring the Delegacy from nation-Kandarin to nation-Lirantha. The more I've thought about it, the more I've started to move towards what essentially is the same position as CG's. Here's what brought the issue into focus for me: Just as we don't have the "Eject" button that other regions enjoy, we also don't have the "Password the region" facility others have. So we can't simply lock down the region during the transition period to ensure that we aren't crashed just at the moment when Kandarin resigns from the WA and the new Delegate is being endorsed (this latter step being likely to take a couple of days to complete). I don't see an easy way to guarantee protecting the handover (though I suspect Sedge and other folks will have some good ideas that I haven't thought of), CG's concerns have become clear to me. Consequently I feel I need someone to provide me with something like overwhelming arguments that we can indeed secure the handover process from some kind of "flash-mob" raid; otherwise I'm looking at changing my mind and asking Lirantha to campaign on the understanding that if she wins, she will carry out her Delegacy as nation-Kandarin. So, can anyone present me with some compelling reasons why Nai shouldn't openly campaign on the basis that if she wins, she will be our Delegate as nation-Kandarin? |
|
Peace, TT Coffee is the cause of all things. (Thales, 2nd ed.) | |
![]() |
|
| Naivetry | Jan 5 2011, 07:58 AM Post #4 |
|
Spammer
|
Thanks for the responses, CG and TT. ![]()
I will not, because I am not convinced that is even desired by the majority of the people here, let alone that it would be what is best for the region. I do pledge to act based on a vote held on these forums. If it still bothers enough people to make changing the nation name at the top of the page worthwhile, then I'll do my best to make sure the switch happens. Otherwise, I don't think I can justify the work and risk a switch would require while conveying no actual positive benefit for the region. Edited by Naivetry, Jan 5 2011, 08:10 AM.
|
|
[nation]Kandarin[/nation] the Younger/[nation]Lirantha[/nation] ~ | |
![]() |
|
| Whamabama | Jan 5 2011, 11:57 PM Post #5 |
|
Questionably Evil
|
I have no questions, just to point out, that if Nai is elected, I would support her keeping the nation Kandarin in the delegate seat. Simply because it is safer. However if she decides to do otherwise, I will support that, and help in anyway I can. The nation Kandarin is her nation, it fully belongs to her, and she can do whatever she wants to do with it, given she has 100% ownership over that nation. |
|
Those who don't create, dictate The structure of our world and preach hate | |
![]() |
|
| Rozonia | Jan 7 2011, 02:39 AM Post #6 |
|
Regular
|
I'm still somewhat bothered by the nation handover. However, I agree that there are obvious risks in switching WAs from Kandarin to Lirantha. It would certainly be both simpler and safer for Nai to keep Kandarin in the Delegate seat if she wins. |
![]() |
|
| unibot | Jan 7 2011, 09:21 PM Post #7 |
|
Chief Propagandist
|
I suppose what you do is have someone else run "Lirantha", then in between updates, make the switch *shrugs* |
|
Former Delegate of The Rejected Realms Former Editor-In-Chief, Maestro | |
![]() |
|
| CrazyGirl | Jan 7 2011, 09:53 PM Post #8 |
|
RRA Commander
|
And risk having both nations kicked out of the WA for multis. |
![]() |
|
| Naivetry | Jan 8 2011, 04:28 PM Post #9 |
|
Spammer
|
That's fine for the final stage, Uni, but we'd likely need weeks to a month of running both nations in parallel in order to swap up far enough to make the switch safely. See spoiler for discussion of logistics involved. Spoiler: click to toggle
Edited by Naivetry, Jan 8 2011, 04:31 PM.
|
|
[nation]Kandarin[/nation] the Younger/[nation]Lirantha[/nation] ~ | |
![]() |
|
| unibot | Jan 8 2011, 06:29 PM Post #10 |
|
Chief Propagandist
|
Okay. That makes sense, I suppose. |
|
Former Delegate of The Rejected Realms Former Editor-In-Chief, Maestro | |
![]() |
|
| Anur-Sanur | Jan 8 2011, 07:39 PM Post #11 |
|
Dedicated
|
While i understand the concerns, I would support something more along the lines of Tt's original idea of some kind of historical protection for Kandarin. Secondly, I think the effort should be made.
This is a bad precedent. Sure, it may work if you get elected, but what if BI got elected? I wouldn't want him to use Kandarin, and I assume most wouldn't want that. I don't see Kandarin being used in the future as something new delegates (elected) have to pass around. Thirdly, CG suggests there is a risk of Kandarin and Lirantha both being banned. Don't we have good relationships with the moderators? Kandarin is a commended player, and the handover was talked about all over NS. Is there no way the mods could help us? Perhaps lock Lirantha's ability to vote and then overlook the fact that she is in control of both? It seems to me that we could make the argument to the mods that we are furthering the integrity of the system, as the handover was seen as rather underhanded. I also think the difficulty of obtaining the needed endorsements is being overstated. I rapidly gained endorsements, even though several nations such as CG were encouraging nations not to endorse me. I am convinced I could have gotten more if I was more passive about it and not so overt in what I was trying to accomplish. I think Lirantha would easily get endorsements. Most people would swap back, and they would have the WFE to reassure any concerns. I would keep Kandarin with Naivetry, but I think starting as soon as possible Naivetry should hand Lirantha over to someone she trusts so Lirantha can start getting some endorsements. BI should also start making an effort to gain endorsements, because his attitude suggests he doesn't really want the delegacy. Then the winner will have the WFE to support them. The process should really start sooner rather than later. |
![]() |
|
| sedge | Jan 8 2011, 08:27 PM Post #12 |
|
Admin Slave
|
No-one is allowed to circumvent the rule against WA multi-ing, under any circumstances. There is no way such a request would be approved, no matter who requested it. I think it's also entirely inappropriate to be suggesting that friendliness with moderators may lead to special treatment - it won't. |
![]() |
|
| Anur-Sanur | Jan 8 2011, 08:38 PM Post #13 |
|
Dedicated
|
I completely agree with you. That was more of a musing to myself, rather than a serious suggestion. Also just a point, I wasn't talking about you or suggesting you would compromise your integrity as a mod by advocating for any special treatment. As I understand it you are a forum mod and therefore your moderation powers to not extend to gameplay. |
![]() |
|
| CrazyGirl | Jan 8 2011, 10:45 PM Post #14 |
|
RRA Commander
|
At any rate, a change in delegacy nations will most certainly not happen as long as there are swappers active
|
![]() |
|
| Thought Transference | Jan 9 2011, 12:29 AM Post #15 |
|
professional loafer
|
What a coincidence, CG: a run of endo-swapping, and alongside that the "musing" that we might solve the intricacies of this election by getting ourselves involved in WA multi-ing. So that would mean ... what? Player Lirantha and at least two of her nations would get reamed by the Mods, creating a sudden vacuum in TRR's Delegacy? And either it would happen with no democratically chosen successor ready or it would force the Delegacy in a particular direction. We have an orderly election process going on right now; who could possibly want to destabilize the election and the region? |
|
Peace, TT Coffee is the cause of all things. (Thales, 2nd ed.) | |
![]() |
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Assembly Archives · Next Topic » |
- Pages:
- 1
- 2



12:33 AM Jul 11