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Help me make a huge decision Update!
Topic Started: Sep 27 2012, 01:38 PM (5,028 Views)
buryinghill2
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Can't say enough about Danny and Ron's rescue. They badly want Idgie to succeed either in my home or somewhere else. Because of that, they are going to pay a local professional trainer of my choice to come evaluate Idgie and do a few sessions with her to get us hopefully on the right track. How many rescue groups would do that? :clap: She's coming on Wednesday.
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That's wonderful! Fingers crossed that this will help things with you and Idgie!
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That is so awesome. It's nice that they have the money to do that for you. Very nice.
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Even better, the behaviorist/trainer at our local shelter is a friend of mine. She's going to come evaluate and help me. I had the choice of several good trainers, but who could be better than the one that has 22 years of experience with shelter dogs?
Idgie had a great day today with me. Her fear of cars coming by is almost completely gone already. Less than a week ago, she was lunging at every passing car. Now she sits quietly as they pass. Lots of praise and treats got it done. Hopefully things will continue to improve.
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BH2, sounds like she is making some progress! Maybe she was just feeling really insecure with all the life changes? Hopefully as she settles in she continues to adapt and calm down.

Very cool the rescue is investing in some training resources for you. Keep us posted!
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I'm so glad she's making progress! She really does look like a sweetheart!
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BH2, Some of the dog aggression can be from fear and also just insecurity. My rescue Aussie was very dog aggressive at first when on leash out on a walk or at dog training class. It took about 6 months to a year for him to get comfortable and confident about his place with us and that he didn't have to worry that someone was going to take him away from his new home and that he was there to stay. It was almost like he was trying to control everything around him. Even just having dogs in front of and behind him on a circle during training was driving him crazy at first. Eventually he settled down and was actually the dog that we used at dog training class to socialize with the puppies.
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So glad to hear Dan and Ron can help try to solve this. I hope you have enough time to try to work it out with her, she looks like a lovely dog. good luck
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Fantastic! Idgie will be good!
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You really need to give her the benefit of the doubt. Did the rescue not stress to you the importance of a 2wk. shutdown? Here's some info. on it, although you can Google it and find lots of results:

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If I could stress one of the biggest errors people make with new dogs and foster dogs it is rushing the dog into the new world so fast . This shut down gives the dog a chance to say “ahhh” take a breath and restart into its new world.

From people I have helped I hear;
"I introduced her to 15 people the first day I had her!" ;" he was a bit leery but seems to like my other 3 dogs" ; "she went everywhere with me "
All in the first few days of the new home..... (!!!)

two weeks later we hear;
" I think we will have to rehome the new dog" "the new dog barked and nipped at my kid" - "we had a dog fight" ; “the new dog barked at me for moving him off the couch”

Ok, folks, here it comes, some feel this is extreme, why? I really do not know.
But when bringing in a new dog, post finding, adoption, buying, etc, Give it time to adjust to you and your family and the dogs in the new environment.
Just as if it were a new baby or puppy, we wouldn’t think of rushing out with a baby or puppy, yet with older pups and dogs we just expect them to take our lives in all at once!

TWO WEEKS - "shut down"
For the first two weeks, (sometimes even longer) a dog takes in the new environment, who is the top person, or animal, who ARE these people!? By pushing a dog too fast, and throwing too much at the dog we look like we are not the leaders,and the dog can feel it MUST defend itself , as the leader is surely no one he has met so far!

We coo , coodle, drag the dog to home to home to person to person, and the dog has NO idea who we are. We correct for things it doesn’t understand, we talk in a new human language using words he does not know.

A key thing to remember is "this is the dating period NOT the honeymoon"
When you first met your "spouse or significant other”, you were on your best behavior, you were not relaxed enough to be all of yourself, were you?
Just think of the things you do physically once you get to KNOW a person,
you wouldn’t run up to a stranger and hug them and squeeze them!
Imagine, if on the first date, this new person, was all over you touching you and having their friends hug you and pat you on the head, and jostle your shoulders, looked in your mouth then he whisked you off to another strangers home and they did the same thing.

Would you think this person normal and SAFE? Wouldn’t you feel invaded and begin to get a bit snarky or defensive yourself? Wouldn’t you think to push these people away for obviously your date is out of their mind, as they aren’t going to save you from these weirdoes!!
Yet we do this very thing to our dogs, and then get upset or worried that they aren’t relaxed and accepting of EVERYTHING instantly!

By shutting down the dog, it gives the dog TIME to see you , meet YOU, hear and take in the new sounds and smells of your home and all the people in it. In the 1st two weeks;
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Crate the dog in a room by itself if possible.(Believe me, dogs are sensory animals, they know more than you think without seeing it).
Leash the dog (so I don’t have to correct it ..you don’t have that right yet!), give it exercise time in the yard on lunge line or in fenced yard..but other than that.. LEASH , (yes..leash in the house too.)
Do no training at all, just fun exercise and maybe throw some toys for fun, leash the dog if you don’t have a fence outside. But DO NOT leave the yard, AT ALL.

No car rides, no other dogs, (unless crated beside them), no pet stores, no WALKS even, nothing but you and household family, your home, your yard. (Unless of course the dog needs to go to the veterinarian)
Believe me dogs can live two weeks without walks. Walks are stressful for there is so much coming at you and your dog! And the dog has no clue who you are yet. The dog may react to something and we start correcting it with the leash and we just installed a VERY STRESSFUL moment to the dog in what should be a fun and learning walk.

TEACH the dog by doing the shut down, that YOU are the one to look to, that you are now here for the dog! He can trust in you and look to you for guidance. Then you can venture out into new situations one at a time, the dog knows he can trust in his new humans and can relax under the fair guidance of his new leaders!

In the house take the dog out only for about 20-30 minute intervals, post exercise/yard times., and ALWAYS on a leash when in the house or in an unfenced yard. Exercise is important! Running and free time are stress relievers, but don’t set your dog up for failure, make exercise and yard time fun and relaxing and tiring!

Then PUT THE DOG AWAY. let it absorb and think and relax. Ignore crying or barking, just like a new born baby, he must find security when you are not right there, and if you run to him each time he will think barking and crying will get your attention.

I do not introduce resident dogs for these two weeks, they can be side by side in the crates, (not nose to nose for they can feel defensive) . Some dogs will bond instantly with the other dogs if we don’t bond FIRST with the dog, and this can lead to some other issues, as the dog will look to the other dog(s) for guidance and not YOU!

Literally in two weeks you will see a change in the dog and begin to see its honest and true personality. Just like a house guest, they are well behaved and literally shut down and “polite” themselves these first few weeks, then post this time, they relax and the true personality begins to shine thru.

So, please,, if nothing else for your new dog, give it the time to LEARN YOU as you are learning who they are! This method works on shy dogs,confident dogs, abuse cases, chained dogs that come in, rowdy dogs, all temperaments!
(I did not write this, but did glean it from the 'net before the webpage it was on went away)


Also, "dog aggression" is a phrase that's thrown around all the time. IF she was DA, she would've done serious damage (or tried to) to the 5 dogs that ran up on her. She sounds like a nervous dog who doesn't have much confidence, and you're throwing her into situations that are making her feel like she has to protect herself, hence being reactive to other dogs. Hopefully the trainer that's coming will teach you how to work with her.
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"Also, "dog aggression" is a phrase that's thrown around all the time. IF she was DA, she would've done serious damage (or tried to) to the 5 dogs that ran up on her. She sounds like a nervous dog who doesn't have much confidence, and you're throwing her into situations that are making her feel like she has to protect herself, hence being reactive to other dogs. Hopefully the trainer that's coming will teach you how to work with her."

I do totally agree with this. Since that day I have shut her world down to the house, fenced yard, and about .5 miles each way walking in each direction from my home. I live on a very quiet dirt road, only a few cars go by a day. She definitely needs to feel safe and relaxed in this immediate area before venturing any further. I was definitely guilty of trying to do to much with her the first two days. That came from a misguided and desperate attempt to fill the void in my life that was left when Cocoa died. :,( I think that's pretty typical of anyone that has lost a beloved dog. You just want your life to be the way it used to be.
It is not Idgie's job to be Cocoa. It's Idgie's job to be the best Idgie that she can be! We have both learned a lot in the last 9 days! She is unbelievably smart and good natured.
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Interesting about the shut down period. Sounds silly but it is exactly the same thing we were advised to do when adopting our kids. Stay at home, minimal visitors, reduce sensory overload. The goal is to have your kids form attachments to you, first, and then introduce them to other people. That way if they feel stressed, they can look to you for comfort.
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Oct 16 2012, 07:01 AM
Interesting about the shut down period. Sounds silly but it is exactly the same thing we were advised to do when adopting our kids. Stay at home, minimal visitors, reduce sensory overload. The goal is to have your kids form attachments to you, first, and then introduce them to other people. That way if they feel stressed, they can look to you for comfort.
That's interesting, because it is the exact same thing, and it makes total sense. I think it's a fine line though with dogs. While she does need to bond with me primarily, it's also important for her to learn pretty quickly that other people will interact with me on the the street, and enter the home. So I guess it's finding that fine line at home between feeling safe and secure and socializing her.
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Oct 16 2012, 06:58 AM
"Also, "dog aggression" is a phrase that's thrown around all the time. IF she was DA, she would've done serious damage (or tried to) to the 5 dogs that ran up on her. She sounds like a nervous dog who doesn't have much confidence, and you're throwing her into situations that are making her feel like she has to protect herself, hence being reactive to other dogs. Hopefully the trainer that's coming will teach you how to work with her."

I do totally agree with this. Since that day I have shut her world down to the house, fenced yard, and about .5 miles each way walking in each direction from my home. I live on a very quiet dirt road, only a few cars go by a day. She definitely needs to feel safe and relaxed in this immediate area before venturing any further. I was definitely guilty of trying to do to much with her the first two days. That came from a misguided and desperate attempt to fill the void in my life that was left when Cocoa died. :,( I think that's pretty typical of anyone that has lost a beloved dog. You just want your life to be the way it used to be.
It is not Idgie's job to be Cocoa. It's Idgie's job to be the best Idgie that she can be! We have both learned a lot in the last 9 days! She is unbelievably smart and good natured.
BH2 You are a great dog mom! I love that you are trying to do everything right for her and are willing to make changes that will make your life work for her. :hug:
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Kady, that's excellent information. I'll keep that in mind when we have a new arrival. Thanks for posting it.

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: for Danny and Ron!!!

BH2, we all seriously want this to work for you and your new girl!!!!!! : :luck: :hug: : :luck: :hug: :luck:
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