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Need help making a final decision on this filly; Please give me your opinions
Topic Started: Apr 22 2012, 07:21 AM (1,224 Views)
Kassandra
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So I went to see the 3 year old again yesterday. I like her more the second time around as far as her personality and energy. There's just something special about her, she kinda reminds me of the perfect cross between my mare and my pony. Ecept of course I don't know what she will be like under saddle! I'm not thrilled with the idea of another baby and starting over again but it is what it is. That's my budget and I guess I am a gambler with horses :mallet:

Anyway, I took some videos that show her now and give you a better idea about her demeanor. She really is sensitive without being hot or spooky, which is what I like. GG was that way, and Bugzy was really that way. She also seems like she will be forward, which is something that for me is a big priority. I did manage to get the breeder to "jump" her over something, it's not the way I would want to do it but she has her training methods and little in the way of jumps. It was her second time going over the cavaletti.

She's not perfect, no horses are. Oddly enough she likes to swap off her right lead canter on a lungeline in the same place, exactly the same way Bugzy did when I first bought her as a 3 year old. So while I guess it could be a red flag Bugzy got over it with work and strength and now as two even leads and is swapping leads like a pro.

So here they are, tell me what you think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzO8cuv9ke8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NezuK7FjV_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzCP67xazxI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjJPD880m0Y



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I actually like her. She looks a hair on the small side but looks pretty well put together. I think she has a nice athletic trot and a good, balanced canter (which is from me the most important thing - canter is the make or break gait for me). The swapping is not of huge concern for me if she vets soundly - i don't like working youngsters onthe lunge without some thing to keep them focused forward and doing what she did - swing her hsunches out and swap. I like her alert, intellegent, yet calm demenour. And she seems personable. She is an interesting prospect.
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I watched the video, because I'm procrastinating. She's quite cute! I not terribly educated in the ins and outs of choosing horses, so I won't venture any more of an opinion than that.
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Cute baby.
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I like her okay from the video. I know it's a n=1 but the only Escudo I have known personally was just AWFUL. Unable to use her body and just a pain in the @ss personality. I've only met 2 horses that I disliked so much that I felt like I could never had one of the stallions offspring-- they were that bad. This horse was one of them. I think the reputation for tough personality is known with the line. So just FYI... again, limited experience... but I'd take it into account buying an unbroke one!
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She's cute, looks like she has a good personality and certainly seemed willing enough. There's something that caught my eye with her front feet but I couldn't get a good enough look at them to figure out what it was so no help there.

My only concern would be you going against one of the hard rules you set for yourself in not buying an unbroke horse...and also because of that it will delay what (you say) your goals are.
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Apr 22 2012, 01:04 PM
She's cute, looks like she has a good personality and certainly seemed willing enough. There's something that caught my eye with her front feet but I couldn't get a good enough look at them to figure out what it was so no help there.

My only concern would be you going against one of the hard rules you set for yourself in not buying an unbroke horse...and also because of that it will delay what (you say) your goals are.
I'm curious what I say my goals are? I say it tongue in cheek because seriously, I don't really know if I honestly have goals past having a horse I like and I enjoy riding that is sound and is big enough for me. I mean I guess I spout off about goals here and there but after all these years I don't know if I really do have goals int he sense that I really need to achieve something.

I am still a little bummed I sold Bugzy but in all honestly she was too small for me to really feel comfortable riding, and the clubby foot and saddle fitting nightmares made her unsuitable for me.

Frankly I can't really afford to have my goals come true - whether you are talking about the thermography stuff or the horse related stuff. I have resigned myself to living in a cube starring at a computer for the next 10 years, so I might as well own a horse I enjoy seeing every day and having my barn time.
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Aside from the thermography goals that you've mentioned, you've spoken many times about wanting to show dressage - at one point you wanted to use this year to qualify for year-end show and be working on 1st level. So if those are you goals, which may or may not be the case any longer, they will be put off again (IIRC, you wanted to work toward this with GG, too) by getting an unstarted horse (who may or may not want to do what you want to do when you start training).

Of course you should have a horse you should enjoy - no one is saying otherwise.

I want you to reach all the goals you want to, no matter what they are . . . work related or horse related. I hate to hear you sell yourself short by saying you've resigned yourself to something. (Which is not to say that I think you would be selling yourself short buying this horse, she is lovely no doubt!)

I tend to be wishy-washy with my goals - first it was eventing, then dressage, then nothing, now who knows what - just doing the best I can with my horses and enjoying riding. One's goals can change anytime, of course - it is up to you to decide what type of horse will give you the most joy.
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Kassandra
Apr 22 2012, 01:33 PM
I might as well own a horse I enjoy seeing every day and having my barn time.
Yeah this is key, IMO. I do think you have to buy something that you will really enjoy and love, otherwise it's really not worth it.

She seems like she's well put together, has three decent gaits, and looks to be trying hard to do what the handler is asking. I'm definitely a gambler when it comes to horses, but I'm coming from a place where I personally wouldn't do the unbroke horse thing again. However a lot of people wouldn't have taken a chance on some of the lame horses I have, so it is a very personal thing in terms of the risks one wants to take.

So... everyone is different... only you know what you're limits/feelings are in that regard.

She does seem quite nice tho!!!! ;)
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I think she is lovely, but I would be weary of having an Escudo that is not in a program of some sort. They are pretty well known to be extremely athletic and talented, but NOT easy. Granted, each horse is an individual and I think the Escudo I's have more of this reputation than the Escudo II's. I found a lovely, lovely Escudo I and was strongly steered away from it as an amateur that doesn't want to have a horse in a very strict regimen. She could be an exception, but are you willing to take that chance?

Based on what you've said on here, she also wouldn't be my pick for you for your next horse (along the lines of what FishCheeks was saying) but she's lovely and only you know if you've got a special connection with her, and are OK putting off riding for awhile, possibly having her turn out to be a dud or not be what you want, etc.

But again, I do think she is lovely - looks sweet, nice mover, well put together (if not a bit small) and I doubt she will be a dud!
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Well my next horse might be an OTTB

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I'm kinda curious what people think my next horse should be? I won't own a lame horse or a lazy horse, I simply don't want either of that. And I hate to say this but I really don't enjoy riding many horses I don't train from scratch or close to it. Most of the horses I have owned I have started or close to it (whether off the track or unstarted or just lightly backed), there are few horses I get on and enjoy unless they have been almost exclusively pro ridden or way out of my price range.

I actually started a thread on the breeding forums about Escudo II, it's and interesting read. I have gotten PMs as well and while a few have said negative things, the positive about EII has far outnumbered the negative.
Edited by Kassandra, Apr 22 2012, 07:15 PM.
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I like her a little less in this footage but they really aren't presenting her at her best. It's impossible to get a good feel for her instincts at the jumps, and - for me personally - unless I could do that, I'd have to pass. I don't know what exactly your eventual goals are though or how crucial the jump is to you.
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You're not going to know if a horse is lazy or not until you put the training into it and see how it accepts the training. Lameness is a crapshoot of sorts, considering all the trouble horses get themselves into! :brickwall: Of course you start with a horse that is well put together, but a single accident can ruin that.

I like those OTTBs! Of course, I love greys so think that Kiddo is striking, but he has a look of mischief in his eye. Manny to me kind of has that "look of eagles" - intent, confident - and Dublin looks very kind. How lucky for you that you get to play with them! :clap:

You say you are curious as to what people think you should get as if we are suggesting you get a lame or lazy horse - of course no one would say that. It isn't as if she is the only choice in the world and all other horses are either lame or lazy. If you want the horse, buy her. Obviously you are the one who is going to have to live with whatever horse you choose so in the end it doesn't really matter what anyone else has to say. You asked for opinions, you got them.

Sorry if I'm a bit bitchy but we just found Iggy dead in the backyard and I'm not in an agreeable sort of mood right now. :argh:
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Apr 22 2012, 08:12 PM
Sorry if I'm a bit bitchy but we just found Iggy dead in the backyard and I'm not in an agreeable sort of mood right now. :argh:
Oh I am sorry, I hope Mr FC is okay :(

I guess I feel like people are being a little judgmental in a weird way. I think I know what I like. Neither GG or Bugzy was a mistake at all. I made a mistake not vetting GG as well as a should have and buying her overlooking a soundness issue, but she was for all intents and purposes the perfect horse for what I wanted had she not had her issues. I also think I did a damn good job picking and bringing along Bugzy, yet I made the right decision for her in the long term. Had she grown a bit more and not had a club foot that limited her ability I would not have sold her. I could have just pushed through but ultimately decided to do what was the best for her.

I just asked for the opinion on this mare, not my ability to know what I like.

Edited by Kassandra, Apr 22 2012, 08:56 PM.
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I sure as heck was not suggesting that I knew better than you did whether or not you would like her. :huh: But after you sold Bugzy it seemed like you wanted something you could ride and show a bit. Maybe I was totally off on that assumption. I can't really figure out what "type" of horse you're looking for - between Bugzy, this mare, the Appy x, the OTTBs, the chestnut mare and the dressage horses from the breeder, you've hit almost every "type" out there. I also don't know if you want more of a hunter type (you say you love the hunters), something for lower level dressage, or an all-rounder. It's hard to just judge a horse, without knowing what it's (hopefully) going to be used for.

She is a beautiful horse, no doubt, and one with a future. I was just under the impression you were looking for something with mileage, where you knew what you were getting. If I was wrong, then my apologies!
Edited by JumpTheMoon, Apr 23 2012, 05:53 AM.
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