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dog kills pregnant owner; sad days indeed
Topic Started: Aug 16 2011, 08:37 AM (1,513 Views)
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kady05
Aug 18 2011, 06:11 AM
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Aug 18 2011, 06:06 AM
Something happened to Checkers though - something in her head snapped, and she went from being a sweet, sociable titty baby to very dog aggressive, and ended up gettng loose from my son and killing a neighbor's dog. Needless to say, we had her pts that week.
Wow.. that's sad.. you had a dog PTS for displaying a perfectly normal breed trait :no:
Are you kidding? It may be a "perfectly normal breed trait" but it is NOT socially acceptable behavior! And I'm sorry but dogs need to conform to social standards. Killing another dog is not ok. Who is to say it won't mistake a small child for another dog?

I know you love Pits and I enjoy your posts about your dogs. Unfortunately most Pit owners are not as conscientious or careful with their dogs.

Yes chihuahua's are nasty little beasts and I would never have one! But they are not going to kill you or your kids. I am sorry a Pit, Rottie or Mastiff in the wrong hands might as well be a loaded gun. GSD's can be tricky also.

I guess I have strong feelings on the topic, having worked as a vet assistant on and off for the last decade.... I am the one at risk when I'm restraining or administering treatment to Poopsie. It's funny, I have always been a serious dog lover but my tolerance for poorly behaved dogs, or dogs with certain "breed traits," has gone WAY down over the years.

I've met many Pits I've liked-- but they have owners who realize their potential and are careful to train and manage their dogs appropriately.

And yes, any dog can be aggressive. But I've yet to meet a Lab, Golden, Poodle or Beagle that has the potential to do the damage a Pit/Mastiff/Rottie can....

GAH I should not have waded into this but frankly the comment above just makes no sense to me.
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kady05
Aug 17 2011, 12:51 PM
FWIW, I had a friend that received 50 stitches in her hand from a bite from a... Chihuahua. ANY breed can bite, ANY breed can do damage. To say a Pomeranian can't is silly.. we had one at the shelter that put a couple holes in one of the staff, actually.

BSL is pretty much the equivalent to racism. Should we ban black men because statistically, they're more likely to commit murder? Don't think that would go over very well!
We've had 3 on your list - I can totally see how they 'COULD' turn, ours haven't.

We bought them responsibly and then raised / trained them responsibly.

Bouviers are known to be one of the most loving and loyal and protective family dogs.

Beau and Grizzly would have given up their lives for any one of our family members.
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Aug 17 2011, 12:51 PM
BSL is pretty much the equivalent to racism. Should we ban black men because statistically, they're more likely to commit murder? Don't think that would go over very well!
OMG ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

LOL you are seriously going to compare BSL to RACISM?!?!?!?!

AHHHH!!!!!!!

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Ok I'm stepping away from this thread. Hot Mess!
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kady05
Aug 18 2011, 06:11 AM
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Aug 18 2011, 06:06 AM
Something happened to Checkers though - something in her head snapped, and she went from being a sweet, sociable titty baby to very dog aggressive, and ended up gettng loose from my son and killing a neighbor's dog. Needless to say, we had her pts that week.
Wow.. that's sad.. you had a dog PTS for displaying a perfectly normal breed trait :no:
I've stayed out of this discussion until now - I know the way it is going to go, who is going to say what, and that no one's minds will be changed one way or the other. As soon as I saw that Steph had posted this it was clear we'd be in for a ride.

But Kady, come on. You think it is ok for a dog to kill another dog and that there should be no repercussions? HA is not ok but DA is? Yes, these dogs were bred to be fighting dogs and DA. And it is unfortunate that the world is overpopulated with them because they are *generally* owned by people who are idiots. That dog that was killed was someone's pet. Even if the dog didn't show HA tendencies, any owner could have been in harm's way trying to save her dog. What if the owner had picked up the dog to try to protect it and the aggressive dog jumped up and got her, instead? THEN would it be ok to have it PTS? Honestly any dog owner needs to be careful to cover their asses (and assets) in the case of an aggressive dog. There are all kinds of negative repercussions that could come about as a result of an aggressive dog - law suit, being dropped by insurance, retaliation, etc.

It makes me sad on all sides of the story because, like others here, I have never met a pittie or pittie-type dog that I haven't liked and they've all been wiggly-butt, kissy-kissy-face dogs. But if *I* have a dog that GOES AFTER another dog to kill it (vs. getting in a fight because an aggressive dog comes to them), REGARDLESS OF BREED, I would have it PTS. It isn't a breed-bias thing, it is a behavioral issue that I would not be equipped to deal with.

My neighbors put down their aggressive horse who attacked and killed their other horse and one of their sheep - I don't think the horse was ever HA, but once they saw what the potential was they couldn't take any chances.
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Aug 18 2011, 06:24 AM
That wasn't her first attempt. In a very short period of time, she attacked my other neighbor's dog, my sister's dog and actually broke her leash to get at another neighbor's ancient beagle. Mrs. A was 86 at the time, got knocked down and could have been seriously injured.

Like I said, something snapped in her head. My vet thinks she was probably used as a bait dog, based on her scarring patterns.

Killing a dog was the last straw for me.

I look at it as we gave her several very happy, loving, safe years and a peaceful release from whatever demons finally got her.
Oy vey.. the whole bait dog myth.

DA is perfectly normal for Pit Bulls.. not sure how your dog continued to attack other dogs, after the first time she shouldn't have been allowed to interact with them.
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Aug 18 2011, 06:41 AM
Are you kidding? It may be a "perfectly normal breed trait" but it is NOT socially acceptable behavior! And I'm sorry but dogs need to conform to social standards. Killing another dog is not ok. Who is to say it won't mistake a small child for another dog?

I know you love Pits and I enjoy your posts about your dogs. Unfortunately most Pit owners are not as conscientious or careful with their dogs.

Yes chihuahua's are nasty little beasts and I would never have one! But they are not going to kill you or your kids. I am sorry a Pit, Rottie or Mastiff in the wrong hands might as well be a loaded gun. GSD's can be tricky also.

I guess I have strong feelings on the topic, having worked as a vet assistant on and off for the last decade.... I am the one at risk when I'm restraining or administering treatment to Poopsie. It's funny, I have always been a serious dog lover but my tolerance for poorly behaved dogs, or dogs with certain "breed traits," has gone WAY down over the years.

I've met many Pits I've liked-- but they have owners who realize their potential and are careful to train and manage their dogs appropriately.

And yes, any dog can be aggressive. But I've yet to meet a Lab, Golden, Poodle or Beagle that has the potential to do the damage a Pit/Mastiff/Rottie can....

GAH I should not have waded into this but frankly the comment above just makes no sense to me.
No, not kidding. And here we go.. comparing DA to HA.. I bet MGP's dog was perfectly fine with people. DA has NO RELATION to HA. NONE.

I'm not saying it's "acceptable" for a dog to kill another dog. But guess whose fault it is for allowing that to happen? The owner. Dog was just doing what the dog was originally bred (and many still ARE bred) to do. It's up to the owners of DA dog to properly manage them.

The first facial transplant was done on a woman who was attacked by her Lab, btw.
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Aug 18 2011, 06:47 AM
kady05
Aug 17 2011, 12:51 PM
BSL is pretty much the equivalent to racism. Should we ban black men because statistically, they're more likely to commit murder? Don't think that would go over very well!
OMG ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

LOL you are seriously going to compare BSL to RACISM?!?!?!?!

AHHHH!!!!!!!

:brickwall:

Ok I'm stepping away from this thread. Hot Mess!
How is it not? You are singling out specific breeds based on what they've done "wrong" or hatred for those breeds. That's exactly what racists do; single out a race because of their hatred for that race, or because that race may be more likely (statistically) to commit a crime.
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Aug 18 2011, 07:01 AM
But Kady, come on. You think it is ok for a dog to kill another dog and that there should be no repercussions? HA is not ok but DA is? Yes, these dogs were bred to be fighting dogs and DA. And it is unfortunate that the world is overpopulated with them because they are *generally* owned by people who are idiots. That dog that was killed was someone's pet. Even if the dog didn't show HA tendencies, any owner could have been in harm's way trying to save her dog. What if the owner had picked up the dog to try to protect it and the aggressive dog jumped up and got her, instead? THEN would it be ok to have it PTS? Honestly any dog owner needs to be careful to cover their asses (and assets) in the case of an aggressive dog. There are all kinds of negative repercussions that could come about as a result of an aggressive dog - law suit, being dropped by insurance, retaliation, etc.
Repercussions should come onto the OWNER of the dog, not the dog, IMO. Like I said a couple posts above, it's up to the owners of DA dogs to properly manage them. I have numerous friends that do without any problems, it's not that hard.
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Wow, this discussion did get weird. I'll just say that if I had a dog that killed another dog the dog would be PTS. I have to say as you get older to start to realize the repercussions of things in life, having a dog that kills other dogs and in turn could very well be a danger to children is not worth the risk to my own livelihood.

And Brock our giant Pit Bull got one chance being aggressive, lost his balls, and would have lost his life had he ever done it again (and his aggression consisted of "blocking" me from getting near my now husband). Even my stupid (at the time) now husband who had this big, intact male knew enough to realize that.

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Statistics are just that....stats. One lab attack that happened to be the first person needing to have her face reconstructed. Compared to probably what....hundreds? Thousands? of pit or pit cross attacks. There is a specific reason for the singling out, its not that people are just deciding "oh, hey, Pit Bulls are dumb, we should hate on them now" There are exceptions to everything....there are aggressive labs, nice labs, aggressive pits, nice pits, etc etc. But there is a reason most people, myself included, don't trust certain types of dogs.

This argument isn't going to be won, can we just agree to disagree? Some of like them, some don't trust them. It is what it is.

However, I don't think it is EVER OK, or ACCEPTABLE, to have a dog or people aggressive animal. WTF. Normal behavior my butt. Asking for a lawsuit or a death? Absolutely. And you better steer clear of me because if your dog comes at me or mine....look out.
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kady05
Aug 18 2011, 07:01 AM
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Aug 18 2011, 06:24 AM
That wasn't her first attempt. In a very short period of time, she attacked my other neighbor's dog, my sister's dog and actually broke her leash to get at another neighbor's ancient beagle. Mrs. A was 86 at the time, got knocked down and could have been seriously injured.

Like I said, something snapped in her head. My vet thinks she was probably used as a bait dog, based on her scarring patterns.

Killing a dog was the last straw for me.

I look at it as we gave her several very happy, loving, safe years and a peaceful release from whatever demons finally got her.
Oy vey.. the whole bait dog myth.

DA is perfectly normal for Pit Bulls.. not sure how your dog continued to attack other dogs, after the first time she shouldn't have been allowed to interact with them.
Frst time, we thought it was just a tussle between dogs...normal enough. It was at a party, everyone had their dogs there.

The 2nd was in my house - my sister brought her dogs along for a family gathering. She had always gotten along just fine with all the family dogs until that night.

One time she broke her leash - she wasn't being allowed to interact with any other dogs. She pulled hard enough that the hardware on the leash snapped.

The time she killed the dog, I was flat on my back with a herniated disc. My son was supposed to be taking care of her, but he wasn't paying attention to her on her potty break.

And actually, she had always been fine with people, and was great with the family babies/toddlers. But towards the end, she started getting odd with people too.

I made the right decision. Period. There was something not right about her anymore, and I wasn't going to risk her going after a child or my handicapped mother.

The decision to pts had nothing to do with her breed, it was based on one individual case. I'd have made the same decision no matter the breed.

As I said, I love the breed, am anti BSL, and if I had the time and energy, I'd have another bully breed. But I know they just don't fit into my lfestyle anymore - which is why I have domesticated sloths...I mean Pugs...now
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Aug 18 2011, 07:05 AM
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Aug 17 2011, 12:51 PM
BSL is pretty much the equivalent to racism. Should we ban black men because statistically, they're more likely to commit murder? Don't think that would go over very well!
OMG ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

LOL you are seriously going to compare BSL to RACISM?!?!?!?!

AHHHH!!!!!!!

:brickwall:

Ok I'm stepping away from this thread. Hot Mess!
How is it not? You are singling out specific breeds based on what they've done "wrong" or hatred for those breeds. That's exactly what racists do; single out a race because of their hatred for that race, or because that race may be more likely (statistically) to commit a crime.
Because Dogs Are Not People.

Ooops, I said it.

And frankly you are trivializing racism but putting BSL on the same level. The fact that you would compare the "plight" of pitbulls to that of black males just BLOWS MY MIND.
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I think this thread could take a turn for the worse very fast - so we will just AGREE TO DISAGREE on PB's! I think we all can agree however that it is a terrible tragedy that happened to this family!

I have seen a number of PB's that were way to aggressive toward humans - COMPLETELY UNPROVOKED! One you could not get near the owners vehicle it was riding in and the other attacked a dear friend of mine that had known the dog for well over 10 years and one day it just turned on her when she walked into the yard! They did not have the dog PTS but it did stay locked in a seperate room in the house for the remainder of its living years. It would even charge the fence line if you walked by! Burn me at the stake if you wish but Thank God that damn dog died just a short time ago!

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Aug 18 2011, 07:28 AM
They did not have the dog PTS but it did stay locked in a seperate room in the house for the remainder of its living years.

And forgive me, but is that a better fate for a dog than being PTS? I know more than one dog that lives a life locked in a room, garage, or chained up because of it's aggressive behavior and I think it's horrible. I would never keep a dog that way. It reminds me of an aggressive stallion I know of that spends it's entire life locked in a 12x12 stall, that's no life for an animal :(
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Aug 18 2011, 07:23 AM
And actually, she had always been fine with people, and was great with the family babies/toddlers. But towards the end, she started getting odd with people too.

I made the right decision. Period. There was something not right about her anymore, and I wasn't going to risk her going after a child or my handicapped mother.

The decision to pts had nothing to do with her breed, it was based on one individual case. I'd have made the same decision no matter the breed.

As I said, I love the breed, am anti BSL, and if I had the time and energy, I'd have another bully breed. But I know they just don't fit into my lfestyle anymore - which is why I have domesticated sloths...I mean Pugs...now
In that case, I do agree with what you did. I was assuming she just had issues with dogs, which IMO is no reason to PTS a dog. But if she was getting odd with people, then yes, she should've been PTS.

Had to laugh at your Pug comment.. domesticated sloths :teehee:
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