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Osama Bin Laden is DEAD.; Best day ever.
Topic Started: May 1 2011, 08:41 PM (2,874 Views)
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I was in shock when I heard it on the radio yesterday when my alarm went off. I woke the BF and said "hey I think they killed OBL and he grabbed his phone to check". I'm not sure how I feel-maybe numb about it? Its sobering I guess is the only way I can express how I've reacted. For me killing him doesn't bring back the people who died on 9/11 or our soldiers that have died fighting for our country. His death doesn't bring my good friend from high school who was killed in iraq 6 weeks before she was to return home-at the age of 24.

I read this on msnbc from the nyt "his death may represent exacted justice but it does not provide resolution. No sense of wars end, no sense of that the hovering threat of terrorism will lift anytime soon". That sums up some of how I feel about it.
Edited by Jersey Fresh, May 3 2011, 07:59 AM.
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I don't think anyone is asking for rainbows and lollipops LGW.


Saying that people are just against war in principal is just shifting the discussion and not really what's being discussed.


It's the reaction to his death. Jubilation, dancing, partying. That's what is being questioned.


I think it's understandable that people are happy that such an evil person can no longer influence so many followers.


However I also feel that the reaction to the news has brought many people right down to the enemy's level.


I am incredibly proud of JTM's opinions on this.

BG, your thoughts about it being different for Americans is probably true for many of us, my self included, however I do not think that is the case for either JTM or LD as you have probably already figured.


Maybe part of the problem is only getting news from one source. You don't have to agree with other sources, but it is good to get different perspectives from other directions. Open mindedness isn't a weakness. :sigh:
Edited by Black Tack, May 3 2011, 08:12 AM.
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Black Tack
May 3 2011, 08:09 AM
Maybe part of the problem is only getting news from one source. You don't have to agree with other sources, but it is good to get different perspectives from other directions. Open mindedness isn't a weakness. :sigh:
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I don't think anyone is asking for rainbows and lollipops LGW.


Good because you know rainbows are just optical illusions. :)

Also, my post was not directed to fuel any new debate on this thread with regard to war. It was just a sentence, no more ... no less.
Edited by LGW, May 3 2011, 08:31 AM.
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Black Tack
May 3 2011, 08:09 AM
I don't think anyone is asking for rainbows and lollipops LGW.


Saying that people are just against war in principal is just shifting the discussion and not really what's being discussed.


It's the reaction to his death. Jubilation, dancing, partying. That's what is being questioned.


I think it's understandable that people are happy that such an evil person can no longer influence so many followers.


However I also feel that the reaction to the news has brought many people right down to the enemy's level.


I am incredibly proud of JTM's opinions on this.

BG, your thoughts about it being different for Americans is probably true for many of us, my self included, however I do not think that is the case for either JTM or LD as you have probably already figured.


Maybe part of the problem is only getting news from one source. You don't have to agree with other sources, but it is good to get different perspectives from other directions. Open mindedness isn't a weakness. :sigh:
When I grow up, I want to be JUST like you! :P :) :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Well, count me as surprised when I heard the news! Wow.

But, a little anticlimatic as it's taken TEN years. Wish we'd gotten him by 2002. I also lost my best friend and a cousin in that attack on 9-11.

I do have some real questions about the entire operation...the changes in the accounts seem odd. Don't know what to make of all of that.

As to how I feel about the actual person being killed...I'm not "celebrating a man's death" particularly as I don't celebrate a person dying, but proper justice DOES have its place, imho. There ARE evil people (think Hitler and a few other tyrants over history)...and imho they should pay the big price. But I don't dance on their graves...I just feel like quietly contemplating that the particular evil they brandish is now gone and hope for fewer of them in the world.

I worry about what the "other" terrorist groups and extremists will do "in retaliation" as well. Just don't think it's over by any means as far as "terrorism" worldwide.

Anyway, it's been a weird and wild year so far in 20ll what with all the Arab nations having revolutions and now this. Makes me go hmmmmmmmmmmm....?
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Hitler was killed on May 1st too! Seems appropo
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9-11-11 in anyones thoughts? Makes the anniversary even more ominous! I may have to go see CDE in her safe part of the country!
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May 3 2011, 12:55 PM
9-11-11 in anyones thoughts? Makes the anniversary even more ominous! I may have to go see CDE in her safe part of the country!
I think I'll have a margarita and TOAST! to happiness, lightness and love abounding. And Peace on Earth, Good Will to all.
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May 3 2011, 08:09 AM



Maybe part of the problem is only getting news from one source. You don't have to agree with other sources, but it is good to get different perspectives from other directions. Open mindedness isn't a weakness. :sigh:
So you watch Fox news do ya?

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Good because you know rainbows are just optical illusions. :)


And lollipops rot your teeth :)
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I remember exactly what I was doing on 9-11. I remember the shock and the horror watching the events unfold on tv. I also remember making room in our ICU (I'm a nurse) for patients that would never come. And then I remember how profoundly sad I felt at how I knew the world would never be the same.

I remember watching in horror as people danced in the streets at the loss of some many innocent people.

A source of evil has been taken from this earth and justice has been served. However... I am terrified for what this will lead to next. I am the wife of a Canadian soldier currently serving in Afghanistan. I worry about the retaliation that will come from the Taliban as they enter "fighting season" and vow to take more lives in exchange for that of OBL. This doesn't make it over in the least. There is always some other extremist ready to take the reins and "up the ante" so to speak.

So am I glad? I just don't know.
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I couldn't help but put my two bits on here...out on the interwebs.

I've read all the responses here and in as many news reports about it...and the comments reflected throughout.

The most common responses I've seen are relief and in many other cases a sense of fear. While I don't necessarily feel like dancing in the streets, I can't say that I'm offended by people in D.C. or New York feeling the need to go out and raise a fist to the sky in victorious justice and feel the moment of retribution we've all been seeking. After all, it was in those cities where they were visually reminded for years about the damage inflicted, and certainly host the majority of families of the victims directly involved. While "everyone" became "Americans" that day so many years ago (as the news reported back in 2001), I can only imagine the reality of seeing it first hand and the desire for justice. Oddly, most families of victims interviewed have had the same response most of us have had...a tinge of relief, but not a radical sense of jubilation.

For myself, I don't feel any more sense of fear than before, if anything, I feel like it has diminished a few bits. Sure, there might be some of the radicals ready to respond, but how is that any different than any other day? It's not like they suddenly hate America, those extemists have hated us all along. But without an iconic leader, it is likely that they'll loose some of their campaigning ability over the years. And each new potential leader will continue to conquered, not by just the U.S., but every country involved in fighting terrorism.

It's also likely that our tactics for fighting terrorism will change from conventional warfare to tactical strikes. The trend for this has been growing in populator and indeed seems the most appropriate way to move forward. This isn't my opinion, but a consensus of the U.S. military and its' allies.

On the political front, I find it a sign of ignorance and offense to not provide credit where credit is due. Not just to the Presidents (Bush and Obama) that have led us through this transition, but to the teams of analysts, operatives, and military that have painstakingly brought us to this very important success. Implying that President Obama was not a critical asset to this mission is simply taking a blind eye to reality and discredits those who disagree with his administrative policies. Strangely enough, this has been the only place where I have seen any dissent (or lack of acknowledgment) torwards President Obama's contribution (a highly risky decision, not only politically, but with foreign political ramifications on the line as well, not to mention the potential for innocent civilians dying had he been wrong, not an easy decision on any level).

As for the spelling of Osama...I'm merely parroting what others have already said...the only place I've seen Osama referred to Usama has been on Fox. To imply that there is ANY correlation between a murderous zealot and the President of the United States is ridiculous. And suggesting that the media is trying to create a distinction between the two by changing the spelling - that only appears to be happening on one channel (Fox) and not the supposed liberal media - only seems to highlight the lack of reality. And is by no means funny.

And since sources of news were mentioned, I couldn't agree more with Black Tack. The more you know, the more you can come to your own conclusions. While Fox does provide segments of news, it has itself acknowledged that it has more commentary than news, and the viewers are required to make the distinction. Blurring the lines between news and commentary makes it challenging to say the least, especially since even the best news reports have the potential bias towards the reporters' own slant. Yet again, it's worth looking across multiple sources to strain the article for "facts" and "commonality". Agreeing with any one particular source usually means you are hearing what you want to be told - not necessarily reality. Example, people in Japan want to believe that nuclear radiation hasn't damaged their countryside - but many are listening to reports beyond their country to see what other countries have reported on the matter.

Lastly, I find it sad that there are those that don't aspire for rainbows and lollipops. They sure won't solve all the worlds problems, but if you can't enjoy the little things, then can you enjoy anything at all? Striving for a utopia should always be the goal. Reality is that achieving it is all but impossible, but not trying is absolute defeat.

So go enjoy a rainbow while having some candy....and be glad that one less evil person is on the planet.
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KMD....good to see you here. :) Always a voice of reason and tolerance. :cloud9:

I think most of us are unsure *how* to feel. Which makes sense, I think. It's not an easy subject.

I also have to say Kudos to the TOC group for being able to discuss this without a trainwreck. It's great that we can have divergent opinions without turning into a$$hats. :) Also, listening to someone else's opinion helps me to re-think my own. Right, or wrong. It's impossible to learn if we don't consider other positions on the same topic.
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Thanks TrialbyFire. I'm "always" here (I'm married to a TOC'er...so I'm always getting the latest scoop)

I agree that it is good we can have an open discussion and not get into a flame-war. It helps us all expand.

As for how to feel. It's natural to feel conflicted. We were saddened by the innocent death of people. We were saddened to see people dance and rejoice at America being attacked.

So likewise, it feels strange to be relieved that an evil person is now dead, by our doing. It seems odd to see people be happy about it, because it draws that parallel that makes it seem that we are like "them".

But the world knows right from wrong. The world understands justice. So I say, be relieved. Take solace in that justice has been done. And raise a beer (or Lollipop) in rememberence of loved ones lost.

I think my first home brew is going to be called Rainbow Lollipop Beer.
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