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Video Critique - Question on horse's movement
Topic Started: Dec 5 2008, 06:18 AM (616 Views)
Petey's Mom
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This video isn't the best quality and I apologize for that. But I am wondering about a few comments that some made on this video. The horse tends to go long and low but does he really look heavy on his forhand? Another comment was that there is alot going on in front to compensate for him dragging his toe behind.

He's lazy and needs muscling across his back/loin but the comments about his front end kind of threw me. Am I missing something????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mtBfBymFYM

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vxf111
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I have a really hard time with YouTube videos loading slowly (other formats work fine?) so I only watched the first minute and a half of the video. I wouldn't have said that he looks heavy on the forehand or that he's toe dragging (or that there's a lot going on up front?! What does that mean, knee action?). I do think he just looks like he's not going FORWARD... he's just kind of lollygagging at a slow, easy pace. I feel like there's something slightly NQR about the right hind, which becomes more apparent when he's circling to the right at the trot? Seems kind of "hock" rather than foot? I dunno... look at the section a little after minute one when you're circling to the right. Right hind seems short.

Anyhoo, I love Ben and I think he's a good moving horse. It's not the best video of him or the most flattering in terms of his movement. Still, he doesn't seem like a heavy, drag you to the forehand kind of horse in that video.
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Ok, well, first off let me say, he is cute as pie! I like him! :)

I think that he's just kindof 'la la la-ing' around, not really engaging his hind end, nor is he really working very hard. He's just "happy hacking" as we call it here. ;) Which there is absolutely nothing wrong with, but, he's not giving much effort, nor looking the best he can, I doubt. To get better movement, and balance from him, he needs to do more trasitions, circles, changes of direction, and not just motor along the rail in a ho-hum sort of way. I don't think he really looks heavy on his forehand, but, he's not carring himself as well as he could because he isn't being asked to work very hard, nor really engage his motor. Also, lengthening and shortening his stride both at the trot and canter will help him use himself better. Lastly, I think he could go a little more forward in his trot work, he looks a bit behind the leg at the trot to me. When you sit your down post, squeeze him softly up into your hand, and see if he doesn't give you a nice push from the hind end creating a better trot.

All that said, he is very cute and looks like a nice boy, just push him a little more and see what he'll give back to you.
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I too think he just looks poky. I would not say he is on the forehand at all at the trot. I do see something slightly amiss in his hind end like V mentioned. If you look at just the back end and separate it from the front, something makes you go hmm... His canter just looks a little unpackaged to me.

He is very cute and he looks like a joy to ride.
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Petey's Mom
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ok - thanks everyone for your thoughts/replies. Yes, he can be very lazy and since that video I ride him in spurs and try to ride him more forward. I admit he needs more work and stregthening in his hiny. I don't really like the way he uses his back end and I see what you are talking about behind.

I am actually trying to sell him and the comments from a potential buyer are below:

"HI, Thank you for the photos and the video clip. What is going on with th toe "draggig" in the rear? Horse is heavier on the forehand too. A lot of extra work on the front to compensate for what is going on in the rear. Thank you for your reply"

I have never had to sell a horse and not sure how to reply and don't want to be defensive but....

Thanks again!!!
Edited by Petey's Mom, Dec 5 2008, 10:30 AM.
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I couldn't watch the video since my connection is so slow. But wow, was that a strange comment from a potential (or not) buyer? If they are asking you about the dragging in the rear I'd say that's a bit strange. Most smart buyers look at a horse and can figure things out for themselves. Just what type of answer is this person looking for anyway? Maybe she should ask the vet to do a pre-purchase and address the issue then.

If the horse is out of shape and a bit unmotivated, he's naturally going to be heavier on the forehand or just not working too hard with the rear perhaps, which would require him to carry the weight more up front.... He's gotta carry it somewhere, right?!

My suggestion would be to thank this person for his/her input and not to respond much more than that. If you can't be civil then just don't respond (I would personally not respond:)
I'd also suggest a vet check for soundness and working on forward with the schooling exercises others have already posted. He sounds like a nice guy so teach him how to move to the best of his ability and show his full potential!
Edited by mercury1, Dec 5 2008, 02:22 PM.
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Petey's Mom
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I reponded to the person - short and sweet (or maybe not :innocent: ) and thanked them for their interest and wished them luck.

Yes the horse needs conditioning and work but dang it's hard to keep him ridden when it's cold, wet and dark. I hate winter time! Plus I have another horse who I try to ride some.
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I think he is cute! Looks a bit lazy :P . He might be a little weak in the stifles?
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Do you have newer footage of him? I know I am late to this party but I think what people are seeing is a horse not moving from behind and using to much knee action up front to compensate for not using his shoulder since he is kind of klunking along. I think with some transition work and making him use his hind end these problems will resolve. He is very cute!
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Petey's Mom
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Jan 5 2009, 09:03 AM
Do you have newer footage of him? I know I am late to this party but I think what people are seeing is a horse not moving from behind and using to much knee action up front to compensate for not using his shoulder since he is kind of klunking along. I think with some transition work and making him use his hind end these problems will resolve. He is very cute!
I don't have any newer footage. Unfortunately the weather has been so bad that I haven't been able to ride him too much lately.

When I have ridden him lately I have been asking him to more more forward and trying to get him use his backend more. I have been doing more transistions and wish I could get him out to do hill work as well.
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I agree with the other posters. The demonstration ride looks like a pleasant hack on a sweet, comfortable horse. If this was a sales video, I would assume this was a pre-adult/pre-childrens horse. I would want to see complete downward transitions on a sales video as they reveal a lot about a horse.

As far as him being on his forehand-I don't see that. I do see that he gets a little inverted around the ends of the ring at the canter.

I agree with a post above- he may improve with strengthening exercises such as hill work, transitions (alot) and also cavelletti work. He does not move well enough from his shoulder to be a top mover. The lack of reach may limit his stride as well and therefore his course work.

I don't know about the toe draggiing comment. Maybe that impression would change as the horse's condition improves.

I think you responded appropriately to the buyers inquirey. She should have just thanked you for your time.

Good luck with him. He looks pleasant enough to be quite useful to someone just moving into the humter world.
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