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Question about timing of jumping pix
Topic Started: Jun 19 2008, 06:13 AM (264 Views)
Hrsnaround
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Hi All!

I've been looking at everyone's show pictures and they are absolutely lovely, and they are all over bigger fences. The photogrophers seem to be able to capture the horses when they are in flight over the fence.

I showed this weekend in a 2'6" division (first time in the ring in over 3 years) and was champion. So, I've been eagerly awaiting the photos to be posted on the website. They are up this moring, and I looked at them, and am ready to quit riding - I look like crap! :shoot: In all but one photo, i'm jumping ahead of the horse - in the rest of the photos, he is not over the jump yet, but rocking back getting ready to jump over. In only once pic is he actually in the air over the jump, and my position looks semi normal - not jumping ahead.

http://www.hoofprintimages.com/mp_client/imageframe.asp?eventid=20877&imgname=HAB2(6-15-08)0207f&wmk=&wmkstyle=&maxX=600&maxY=497&wmX=300&wmY=120&lft=0&top=0

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http://www.hoofprintimages.com/mp_client/imageframe.asp?eventid=20877&imgname=HAB2(6-15-08)0195f&wmk=&wmkstyle=&maxX=600&maxY=463&wmX=300&wmY=120&lft=0&top=0


So, the question is, for smaller fences, is it harder to get the "right" moment captured when the horse is over the fence, not getting ready to jump it? Where should the rider be before the horse is ready to jump? Am I being really too hard on myself? I feel like I am jumping way ahead of the motion.

I'm going to have a talk with my trainer today about my position over fences. Maybe it was just show nerves that made me revert back to old habits. I don't know. But, all I know is I am not a happy camper at the moment. :( THe horse was awesome thought!!!!

Thanks for any thoughts!
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That means there were 4 of us from the BB in that division...but in answer to your real question...I think that ring was pretty deep and maybe the horses weren't making it around as easily as they would have in less footing. I also think that you don't look nearly as bad as you think you do...you just look like you need to sink into your crotch a little more and not stand up so much, bend through the knee more maybe?
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you are jumping the jump for your horse with your body. Think about keeping your but over the tack and releasing with your arms more--your body is doing more jumping than you arms. For smaller jumps, all you should be really doing is folding over--which would keep your seat in the air, but over the saddle--and releasing with your arms and hands. I would practice when you're walking and trotting going down into two point and sliding your hands and going back to seated. It will work on your core muscles and muscle memory. The photos themselves are pretty much timed correctly.

With that said, I need to go practice my own advice--i keep jumping in circles with my hands rather than sliding them up the neck which makes for some purrty pictures the likes of which I don't care to share :teehee:
Edited by RHowell, Jun 19 2008, 06:30 AM.
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Hrsnaround
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RHowell - Thank you for the advice - I will practice that for a while - go up in to two point and slide up my hands then sit back in the tack. I remember telling myself to "stick my butt out" over the jumps, which helped a bit for a while. But I will practiced what you mentioned.

Heineken - I wish I knew folks from the board were there, would have loved to meet you all! :)

Thanks ladies!
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oops, I really do know how to spell butt. I was multi-tasking. Your pony is really cute--you must be a proud mama!
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Nice pictures.

The first picture looks like it's a frame too late, but the second picture is just about right on. You are jumping ahead a bit and taking the jump for your horse. Thinking about pushing your butt out behind you and closing your knee angle and hip angle. Also thinking about staying close to your saddle might work.
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From a photographers point of view, the lower the fences get the harder it becomes to get the timing right on the perfect O/F shot. Some horses take off at different speeds, some horses don't even make an effort, some chip or some take off long, etc. Be happy that your horse is gorgeous and has adorable knees over the jumps!
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Hrsnaround
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Thanks for the comments! I had a lesson today, and have been practicing what RHowell suggested when I rode today and yesterday. I'm going to try to make it a daily part of the riding routine at the walk and trot.

I spoke with my trainer today, after lessoning, and she said that I am not jumping ahead of motion - at least not in the lesson today. With regard to the horse show, what she thought I did in my first class was that I was ahead in general - I rode a little too "ready", had the horse a bit to quick and was popping out of my tack (i.e. jumping ahead), and not sitting around my horse. In my 2nd and 3rd classes, I slowed it all down, sat down in the tack, and had much smoother rounds. She said I found all my jumps in all three classes, but the last 2 classes were a ton better than the first. So, that made me feel better. Even if I do look like crap in the pictures.

Thank you for the complements on the horse! I appreciate them. He is actually a jumper pretending to be a hunter - I think he does the child/adults, I don't remember - anyway he is not an easy ride, but one that I appreciate having the opportunity to gain confidence with. :)

As always, thanks for the comments!!!!

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YOU DO NOT LOOK LIKE CRAP IN THE PHOTOS--you are doing what we all do, being our own worst critic! They are good photos! Maybe I wouldn't send them off to George M's photo critique (i think the people who send them in are into S&M), but I would certainly be delighted to order them and proudly display them--you two look great together! Now me, on the other hand, I've been practicing my two point and "equestrian push ups" all last week! :teehee:
Edited by RHowell, Jun 22 2008, 02:46 AM.
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You don't look like crap and any problems you have are pretty simple to fix. I will say that in your first pic it appears that you are reaching for your stirrup. I would shorten it a bit. Sometimes when one has to reach for their stirrup they tend to jump ahead of their horse. Both are easily fixed
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Hrsnaround
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Thanks again ladies!

It might be an optical illusion - I'm wearing my old Dehner's that are way too short. My new boots are not yet broken in enough for prime time. :) . I recently raised my stirrups up a hole, like about 2 weeks ago, and they do hit pretty much at the mid point or top of my ankle. But I just thought of something, the Herm-Sprenger irons have a thicker base (I think) than the good old Fillis irons. Here we go - I can see my self breaking out my old irons tomorrow, ruler, and hole punch, trying to find the perfect length. :psycho: In all seriousness, they do hit my ankle toward the top of it. I've ridden a hole shorter on ponies, and it does NOT feel "right", so I hope I do have the set ok.

Sorry for the babbling. :(
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Hrsnaround
Jun 22 2008, 05:00 PM
Thanks again ladies!

It might be an optical illusion - I'm wearing my old Dehner's that are way too short. My new boots are not yet broken in enough for prime time. :) . I recently raised my stirrups up a hole, like about 2 weeks ago, and they do hit pretty much at the mid point or top of my ankle. But I just thought of something, the Herm-Sprenger irons have a thicker base (I think) than the good old Fillis irons. Here we go - I can see my self breaking out my old irons tomorrow, ruler, and hole punch, trying to find the perfect length. :psycho: In all seriousness, they do hit my ankle toward the top of it. I've ridden a hole shorter on ponies, and it does NOT feel "right", so I hope I do have the set ok.

Sorry for the babbling. :(
I don't think your stirrups are too long. I think you're knee angle is too open. Look at the picture imagining your butt only about 3" out of the a saddle. There would be just about a 100/110 degree angle behind the knee, which is right on.

I have excellent pictures to illustrate what I'm talking about, the too open knee, too high butt, as well as closer to what it should be...but don't want to take over your thread. If you want to see what I'm talking about, let me know. :D
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SnackPack - please - education is good! I'd love to see what you are referring to with the angles. I know I have my George Morris bible around somewhere, but it has been a year since we moved to this house and there are STILL things that are not unpacked. :-(
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Hrsnaround
Jun 23 2008, 11:48 AM
SnackPack - please - education is good!
Okay. :P Keep in mind that I don't *usually* jump ahead, but I almost *always* duck (and grimace, but that's 'cause I like to show my teeth off...or something like that :psycho: )

This is good leg, but knee angle is too open and my booty is too high. (release is also restrictive...sucker was spooking at a sponsor banner on the rail)
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This is better (except for the heel...I wasn't stretching down into it):
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This is the eq I wish I had all the time, but only seem to manage when horsie is being bad and I HAVE to ride correctly.
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And on another horse:
I'm not only jumping ahead (I completely forgot about this jump and was like...oh, wait, I'm suppose to do that one over there in a bending four and got worried about it), but I'm also completely open at my knee, standing in my stirrup trying to jump for the horse:
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Here I HAD to wait for the horse to jump because of a significant turn I had planned. Just about everything is better in this picture: my position, horse's form, etc:
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I look at those pictures a lot to remind myself to stay down in the saddle and to wait for my horse. The distances weren't necessarily bad in the bad pictures...I just didn't wait for the horse and jumped for him.

Edited by SnackPack, Jun 23 2008, 12:54 PM.
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Hrsnaround
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Muchas Gracias SnackPack!!! I appreciate the visuals. They help a lot!

RHowel - going to practice more of the two point equestrian push ups :-).

Thanks again ladies!!
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