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Yet another horse dies...
Topic Started: May 11 2008, 06:47 PM (671 Views)
jillincolorado
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I just read the "Tigger Too" died of an "acute abdominal aortic rupture" at Jersey Fresh.

If I hear "Pulmonary Embolism" or "acute abdominal rupture" ONE more time I'm going to scream. Seriouly. How many horses have died from those two "maladies" in the past two years? Doesn't that strike anyone else as particularly odd?

RIP Tigger.


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Yes, very odd. I am sickened by the death of yet another talented horse. I saw the pictures of the crash and frankly, I cannot see how anything other than that particular crash caused the injuries to the animal that lead to its death. It was a horrible accident and a horrible way for such a talented animal to die.
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Rotational fall/partial rotational fall/rupture (pulmonary or abdominal)...sure seems to be a rash of them going around of late.

Something is not right. I just find it odd that there can be THAT many horses at the elite level of eventing that suffer these catastrophic "ruptures" that lead to bad falls. Seriously, what are the odds? Are these types of falls/injuries as common at Burghley and other elite eventing venues across the globe?

I do realize that no equine sport is without risk, but these "catastrophes" seem to be evolving into the rule rather than the exception.
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guys, please go to the coth thread. there are many things being said over there that could/will answer the questions. i have seen a horse have a eiph episode and it was at the beg.novice level 2 yrs. ago, in the warmup- horse broke to a trot, threw his head up, stumbled backwards and fell to the ground. it took several minutes of legs failing around and whinning from the horse before he died. thank god i knew what i saw and got the kid off before he fell to the ground. so, you just don't hear about the stuff at the lower levels as those are not in the media. but it happens at all levels. friends horse 13yrs.old had him since he was born, same thing. went to feed hay 30 minutes later dead in the field, just dropped where he was standing, no struggling. so, please lets notplay the blamegameon anyone type ofriding, it can happen to any horse anywhere. :(
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jillintexas
May 11 2008, 08:47 PM
I just read the "Tigger Too" died of an "acute abdominal aortic rupture" at Jersey Fresh.

If I hear "Pulmonary Embolism" or "acute abdominal rupture" ONE more time I'm going to scream. Seriouly. How many horses have died from those two "maladies" in the past two years? Doesn't that strike anyone else as particularly odd?

RIP Tigger.

Yes it's very odd, and I think it's as much of a safety issues as a rotational fall is. The stress level on the horses is too high.. it's killing them. One or two of these kinds of heart attacks or similar things a year would be normal, not every or every other event!

This kind of death in horses occurs in show jumping and racing, and even in training sometimes, but not to the frequency it's happening in eventing. It's obvious, and it's wrong for them to continue with this format if it's killing the horses.

RIP Tigger Too.
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May 12 2008, 07:33 AM
guys, please go to the coth thread. there are many things being said over there that could/will answer the questions. i have seen a horse have a eiph episode and it was at the beg.novice level 2 yrs. ago, in the warmup- horse broke to a trot, threw his head up, stumbled backwards and fell to the ground. it took several minutes of legs failing around and whinning from the horse before he died. thank god i knew what i saw and got the kid off before he fell to the ground. so, you just don't hear about the stuff at the lower levels as those are not in the media. but it happens at all levels. friends horse 13yrs.old had him since he was born, same thing. went to feed hay 30 minutes later dead in the field, just dropped where he was standing, no struggling. so, please lets notplay the blamegameon anyone type ofriding, it can happen to any horse anywhere. :(

maxxtrot I have/am reading the other thread. I don't think anyone here is playing "the blame game", at least it is not my intention.. I am upset by recent events. I think it bears discussing. I don't buy the rash of "aneurysm/rupture" causing serious falls. Do they happen? Obviously. Is it the cause of EVERY bad fall? I seriously doubt it. You must admit that it's beginning to sound a little like, "the boy who cried wolf". Sooner or later, people start to get jaded..

I have, until recently, been a most ardent supporter of eventing, but the bottom line, medical issue/rider error/course design/pressure from sponsors/footing/experience...horses and people are DYING and being severely injured with regularity.


Something has obviously changed. As someone wisely put at Rolex; rider anatomy hasn't changed; horse anatomy hasn't changed. This begs the question, "what HAS changed?".

LG, I liked your comment on the COTH thread. :hug:
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i did not mean that you all were playing the blame game. i am just saying i ran upper level many moons ago. and there were these accidents here and there. i for one do believe that the taking away from the long format has made things more out in the open.i feel as if things like this were caught in the 10 minute boxs, so you did not hear about abnormal rythems as the horse was pulled from competion. i reallydo hope that the safety meeting in ky will atleast shed some light on things and what we as a group need to do the help out. i do still compete only at the lower levels now, with my up and commers.
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I totally agree with you on the format change. I think it was a chance to "weed out" potential errors before continuing on to the more difficult questions. I'm not sure if it's "the" answer, but it does make some sense to me.

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Everybody know there is seriously something wrong here. My fear is, with the Olympics approaching.. is this the reason they don't stop and analyze? Too much money at stake?

When money outweights safety, there's a serious problem.


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A noted eventing trainer commented that because the format has changed, the horses are not trained to the point that they once were when the format was longer. There are more shortcuts and the horses, he reported, are not in the shape they once were, thus taxing there bodies.

I really do not follow eventing in-depth, but I have been reading the threads. It is unfortunate what is happening in horse sports as of late, but the things that are happening are not new, it just appears the frequency is. :(
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J Swan made some excellent points on COTH about the types of riding/preparing done years ago vs today. Very interesting food for thought.

I too, feel the format change is part of the problem.
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and Clayton Fredricks enormously talented Olympic hopeful, Nullabor died as the result of a crash at Saumur over the weekend :no: :(
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nz-i am not sure i would call that a crash. the horse slipped and fell going around a corner, freak accident, yes. the horse fell in a way that it broke it's neck.
and i for one have seen and had this happen at home. they are not always going to be able to stop forward motion even when they are running around playing in a field. i just hate to see this bashed as another eventing problem. i too am saddened by the lose of a very nice up and coming horse. but a freak accident.
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maxxtrot
May 19 2008, 04:17 PM
nz-i am not sure i would call that a crash. the horse slipped and fell going around a corner, freak accident, yes. the horse fell in a way that it broke it's neck.
and i for one have seen and had this happen at home. they are not always going to be able to stop forward motion even when they are running around playing in a field. i just hate to see this bashed as another eventing problem. i too am saddened by the lose of a very nice up and coming horse. but a freak accident.

My concern for this horse is that he was just at Badmiton 2 weeks before. I always thought that UL horses were not running **** and *** star courses so often. Perhaps that contributed to his accident. Just food for thought! :lonely: :hug:
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May 19 2008, 04:17 PM
nz-i am not sure i would call that a crash. the horse slipped and fell going around a corner, freak accident, yes. the horse fell in a way that it broke it's neck.
and i for one have seen and had this happen at home. they are not always going to be able to stop forward motion even when they are running around playing in a field. i just hate to see this bashed as another eventing problem. i too am saddened by the lose of a very nice up and coming horse. but a freak accident.

Oh please don't get me wrong, I have no intention to bash eventing at all. I was just adding his name to the list of recent deaths. Personally I would still call it a crash (definition: fall or come down violently), even if a fence was not involved but that's just a word at the end of the day.

Regardless of the cause, it's another sad loss to the eventing world and I think some questions that are being asked need to be answered - I am sure that horse/rider deaths and serious injuries did not happen with this frequency back in the 80's/90's so why are they happening now?? :(
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