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just when you thought it was safe to; send your kids to school
Topic Started: Apr 9 2008, 03:23 PM (418 Views)
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Magical Leopluridon
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Along comes the state or rather some legeslatures from the cleveland area think it is a 'wonderful' idea to force parents to volunteer at their childs school or else be fined 100$. Gee guess those who pass the laws do not actually hvae to think before they come up with these ideas.
I can not imigine me having to take 13 hrs during hte school yr and another 3 for mandatory orientation so actually 16 hrs of volunteering at a place I'd rather not be surroundied by loud screaming obnoxious children for 13 hrs. Hey just cuz I have 2 kids doesnt necessarly mean I like kids in general.. Cant stand the things loud, obnoxiuos sticky smelly.. yuck..
Of course because it is volunteering no compensation for lost work for parents who have to take off. Of course if you do not volunteer then you loose money anyway because they will fine you.
hereis just a snippet of hte whole bills as this part is nesseled in a rather long bill
I couldnt find exactally where it says how they would collect thefine if you do not expect a tax refund. But the link should work if you want to read and locate it.

This is a portion of the bill taken from the 127th Ohio General Assembly legislature website: www.legislature.state.oh.us/bills.cfm?ID=127_HB_519

To amend sections 109.57, 5733.01, 5733.98, and 5751.98 and to enact sections 124.1311, 3313.88, 3321.30, 5733.54, 5747.124, and 5751.54 of the Revised Code to require parents of students enrolled in school districts to perform volunteer service for the district, to grant state employees paid leave to participate in a child's educational activities, to allow a nonrefundable credit against the corporate franchise or commercial activity tax for employer-paid leave enabling employees to participate in school-related activities, and to require school districts to establish mentoring programs for students

the latest bad idea of a long string of bad ideas ...
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Wayside
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This seems like a bad idea to me, too. When I was little, my mother actually wished she could volunteer more at the school, but being a single mom, she really couldn't afford to take time off for "fun" stuff. She also didn't have an extra $100 lying around either.

Now I have a son, not quite school age yet, and I kind of like the idea of volunteering. Though I'd prefer it to be on my own terms, what really bothers me is thinking about the kind of "mentoring" and what have you my child would be recieving from people who really don't want to be there. Cripes, I have a neighbor who has three kids and is a complete a$$hat (to put it mildly), and I can't imagine how awful he'd be if he was forced to volunteer with other people's kids.
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THIS is why I am VERY glad I don't have kids OR grandkids.

OY VEY. :o

This is incredible RUBBISH. Do we now live in a Marxist State where the Government controls your every move? What if your work and lifestyle make it nearly impossible to do this? What if you are disabled or ill? What if you just plain DON't want to do this?

And, if you don't or can't: fined $100??? WHAT ARROGANCE. :censored:

Why are you forced? :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

Isn't the definition of "volunteer" someone who WANTS TO DO IT? :psycho:

I am going to go punch a wall. Excuse me. :brickwall: :mallet: :brickwall: :mallet: :brickwall: :mallet: :brickwall: :mallet:
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3Bays
Apr 9 2008, 03:58 PM


Isn't the definition of "volunteer" someone who WANTS TO DO IT? :psycho:


Exactly. :rolleyes:
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Hey, it's our fault for electing these Bozos to office... if you don't want Big Brother breathing down your back and telling you what you are going to do... pick the candidate who is strongest in Libertarian views.

We have to stop putting these guys/gals in seats of power!
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Apr 9 2008, 06:54 PM
Cripes, I have a neighbor who has three kids and is a complete a$$hat (to put it mildly), and I can't imagine how awful he'd be if he was forced to volunteer with other people's kids.

Hmmm, Wayside's comment immediately made me wonder if they're going to do background checks on these "volunteers."

I think it's great when parents volunteer at their kids' schools because they are motivated and want to be a part of things...however, not all parents are created equal. JMO!
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Apr 10 2008, 06:24 AM
Hmmm, Wayside's comment immediately made me wonder if they're going to do background checks on these "volunteers."

I think it's great when parents volunteer at their kids' schools because they are motivated and want to be a part of things...however, not all parents are created equal. JMO!

I sure hope they would. The fellow in question lives a few houses away, and according to WI public circuit court records, he's been charged with domestic violence, resisting arrest, drunk and disorderly, property damage, and several other things. So it's not like I simply dislike him and think he's creepy (though I do, and that's what prompted me to look him up). He is unquestionably not the sort of person you'd want anywhere near your kids.
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I also find the mandate misguided. I understand the desire to have parents more active in the schools, however, mandated volunteerism is oxymoronic.

I volunteer in the school my children currently attend and I find it incredibly rewarding. I love knowing my children's friends and I really enjoy spending time with their teachers. I have found that being an 'involved parent' gives me all kinds of insight into the inner workings of the school, the relationships between my children and their peers, and some idea of what it is they are learning for 7 hours a day. So, the experience has been and I hope will continue to be a very positive one for me.

For others, not so much. There are a lot of parents out there who are quite happy to dump their kids for 7 or 8 hours a day and then turn on the television or video games when they come home. I'm pretty happy not to have these folks hanging out with my kids at school. :yes:
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I teach and have seen some parents in action. Personally, I think we'd be better off with NO volunteers than have some of these parents helping out. I'd prefer to just keep it as VOLUNTEER work. Usually, that way, you get the ones who WANT to be there and are motivated, caring, and HELPFUL.
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Good luck policing this law-can you imagine the paperwork for both school district and government! :psycho:
This may be an effort to get parents involved-a ridiculous effort!

And further-No Child Left Behind... :mallet:
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My mom teaches at a high school outside of Cleveland. I guess that the idea behind this is to force parents to see what goes on at schools. I'm not saying that this is the right way to go about it, but one of the problems that my mom deals with a lot is parents who bad mouth everything that goes on at school. If they actually attended the school for a day and saw what goes on (crowded classrooms, students with disruptive behavior that create problems for other students, etc.), they might be more willing to work WITH teachers on certain subjects. The idea is nice, but it will never work.
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from what I have heard there would be a 'background' check on the parents. I wonder if those who do not pass it if it would be an automatic 100$ fine.

IT is my understanding that this is no part of the no child left behind law. But it was indicated that those who support the bill though I have not checked it are from the 'left' side of politics.

While I undertand that there are 'good intentions' behind this but good intentions do not make a good idea or in this case a good law.

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I'm not a Constitutional Lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but isn't this a form of double taxation? Maybe not cut and dry, but if you are already paying taxes to fund the public school system... and then have to pay and additional $100 if you don't want to "volunteer"...
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Copper Leaf
Apr 10 2008, 11:22 AM
I'm not a Constitutional Lawyer, and I don't play one on TV, but isn't this a form of double taxation? Maybe not cut and dry, but if you are already paying taxes to fund the public school system... and then have to pay and additional $100 if you don't want to "volunteer"...

good point but I was thinking more like this along with the whole thing is silly to begin with..
13th. Amendment
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Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Seems the powers that be in columbus forgot this tiny bit of law..
Unles they plan on convicting every parent in the state who has a child enrolled in school..
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